Orimar Luger - current sear arrangement
 

Very interesting reading. I remember one post which made mention of a different sear arrangement or "dead pin" with no possibility of sear removal. Can the sear on the Orimar be taken out like war time Lugers? :confused:

Wow that really sucks. I always liked the old (ORIGINAL) design of the sear in Lugers. Thank you Rick W and Thor for your help in answering this. Hopefully Orimar will follow original design and stick with a removable sear.

There are other changes too, like the long angled pin that holds the trigger lever in place inside the side plate. The modern AIMCO that I have looked at has a flush length roll pin in its place.

Thor,
Can you get any pictures of production changes to the stainless steel Lugers for us to view?

While you are waiting, you can check out five pages of photographs of different stainless steel model Lugers in the Member Gallery...

Here is a shortcut.

http://gallery.rennlist.com/lugergallery/Stainless

Page 5 of the gallery linked by John shows the sideplates of both a vintage and one of my new stainless guns with the stainless sideplate on the left. The differences in the pins shows clearly. Other photos on page 4 and 5 show a vintage and new side-by-side from various angles. The photos were taken one afternoon by Dwight after we met at the shooting range.

Steve

Thank's John and much thank's Steve. I hope you guys don't think I am being neurotic about the Sear in the new Luger. I just love to take that Sear out from time to time and marvel at the design. What do you folks think of the .30 Luger from Orimar? I've got to get one. Gun addiction is a very bad thing money wise! I wish that Orimar would make one with a stock, drum and Artillery sights. Now that would be a cool gun!

The takedown lever uses a spring loaded detent ball setup to hold it in place. The stainless is missing a ridge that runs horizontally above the sear. Not sure if it served a purpose, probably saved some machine work...

Here is a side view of the sear area of a byf 42 and a stainless... http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/lugertopsl.jpg

Johnny,
That's a cool picture. Your BYF has a small punch mark on the Sear (maybe a RC test)? Do you think you can pull the Toggle assembly out and shoot a closer picture of the Sear on the stainless? Your ss Luger, is it an Orimar? Looks nice. TOGGLELOCK

Pin that holds the Toggle looks a lot bigger on your stainless steel Luger. The spring loaded detent sound a lot better then the C shaped spring (regards to holding in the Takedown Lever). TOGGLELOCK

Notice also the pattern of knurling on the two toggles is different. I like the old style myself. The rear toggle axle pin is WAY bigger in the head section much like some of the original Navy Luger pins. This design is similar to the hump on most Mauser Lugers it helps keep that pin in place when the gun was in full recoil.

Here is a comparison shot of the toggles...

http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/ToggleLeft.jpg
http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/ToggleRight.jpg

The thing to remember about the new stainless steel parts is that they are cast rather than machined. It costs less but some shapes cannot be cast in a mold very readily.

What looks like knurling on the toggle nobs is actually indents into the nob rather than raised points.

I suppose that things like that are the tradeoffs to get a gun that costs around $700-$800 rather than $15,000.

One other thing is that the grip is larger on the stainless guns. My artillery measures 1.75" front to back just above the stock lug and the stainless is 1.85". Not much, but definately enough to feel!

I am no foundry person but one could probably compare the two and explain why most of the changes were made due to casting considerations.
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