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Newbie with Swiss Luger
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I just purchased my first Swiss Luger and I'm trying to determine te exact model of my new gun, can someone help? I have been tolf that it should be a W+F, 06-24 SN 27958 in 7.65mm PS: I have picture, but don't how to add them, any halp is also welcome Fred |
Hi Fredo,
Welcome to the Luger Fourm. I would be happy to post your photos...if you want to email them to me, I will get them posted this evening for you. My email is : pebbink@pacbell.net Based on your serial number # 27958, your Swiss luger should be a 1906 W+F Bern luger (sometimes known as a 1906/24 Bern...) It should have " +" "Waffenfabrik" and "Bern" stamped on 3 lines on the top of your front toggle link. The chamber should be blank and not have any markings. Yours should also have a "+/M" stamping...for Col. Muhlemann's inspection stamping...typically on the left side of the receiver/rail...in front of the trigger side plate. Based on the serial number tables in V. Bobba's book on Swiss lugers, your luger was made in 1928...with only a total of 870 lugers made by Bern that year. Once we get your photos posted, the good Swiss Luger "nuts" here can give you lots more info. Is the wooden bottom of your magazine blank or does it have any numbers stamped. If you can provide a photo of the bottom of your wooden magazine...that would be great as well. p.s. Now that you have a Swiss Bern luger, you might want to look for a proper, correct holster as well...something like this : http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfuploa...ster_copy1.jpg Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" /> |
Yep,
Pete is good help with the pic posting. He helped me with mine on my Luger. Thanks again Pete. Kelly |
Fredo's Photos :
(I lightened them up a bit so more detail would show...) I did advise Fredo, off line, that his magazine is 100% Bern (see how the bottom of the wood is different than the German's) but that his hoster is for a Swiss M1929 W+F Bern luger and not the 1906 W+F Bern luger. http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfuploa...rico_4.jpg.jpg http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfuploa...rico_5.jpg.jpg http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfuploa...rico_6.jpg.jpg http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfuploa...rico_7.jpg.jpg http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfuploa...rico_8.jpg.jpg http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfuploa...rico_9.jpg.jpg http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfuploa...ico_10.jpg.jpg |
Hi Fredo,
Some questions : 1. Can you tell us if the inside surfaces of your luger's frame is "in the white" or is it totally blued ? I am asking as your trigger side plate is of the early variation (the "island" does not run all the up to the top of the plated edge) and I want to know if your frame interior is blued or white...to figure out, more closely, where in the serial number range those chages occurred. The two features may not be related at all; that is, the switch from trigger side plate type and the switch from white to blue frame interior. Your luger also has the step on the top surface of the breechblock...which indicates a feature of the early 1906 W+F Bern as well. Author V. Bobba wrote in his book the switch from white to blue frame interior happened around serial # 26205... 2. Is there a 3-digit serial number stamped on the lower edge of your trigger side plate ? If yes, is it "958" as well ? Your trigger side plate is of the first, early variation of this luger model. It is uncommon to find one on a pistol with the late serial number of 27958... Here is the variation tables from V. Bobba's book : http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/bobba_info.jpg Regards, Pete... |
Hi Pete, my english is not good enough to understand the exact location of the lower edge of the trigger side plate, can you indicate me this location on one picture?
I will come back on the other question soon Fred |
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Pete, the picture is not showing
fred |
sorry, it just worked, may be I wasn't patient enough
Freed |
Hi Pete
Yes this piece is marked 958, I will mail you a picture in a few minutes Fred |
Hi Fredo,
No problem...I usually type in my words, first, and then go back and insert a photo...you probably logged on while I was doing the 2nd. step. p.s. You have a lovely looking luger...one you should be very proud to own. Congratulations... p.p.s. I have attached the web site link to a Luger Forum member, Stefan Mahrer, who lives in Switzerland. He might have a holster in stock that you could buy. The holster photo in my 1st. posting, above, is one I bought from Stefan... http://www.swissdagger.com/index.html The holsters for the M1900 and M1906 Swiss lugers came without the spare magazine pouch attached to the top...sometimes there were added by the gun/holster owner. I have one of each holsters...with and without the top pouch. Here is a photo of my other M1900/M1906 holster w/out the top pouch...this one is dated '04... (Click on photo to enlarge its size.) <a href="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/johns_holster_front_copy1.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/johns_holster_front_copy1.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a> If Stefan has one for you, the date on the holster should be '28 or a bit later...since your gun was made in 1928...would not make sense for your 1928 luger to be mated with a holster made in...say 1909...just my opinion, though. :) Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" /> |
Hey TAC,
No fair...how about a translation in American (i.e. not English) for some of us bone-head, uni-lingual Yanks... :D Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" /> |
for Pete
La minuscule 'P' affranchi sur le devant du garde de la g�¢chette indique que ce pistolet a �©t�© vendu en priv�© apr�¨s qu'il ait �©t�© sorti de service militaire. The small letter P stamped on the front side of the guns means that this military version of the gun has been "Privatisate" at the end the obligatory service of it owner. This usually happened will all guns given to soldier at the end of their military service to thanks them for having served the country. In exemple, I recently finish my military obligation and they have gave me my STGW 57 and marked it with this "P" Hope this will help Fred |
Pete mto your early question
the inside surfaces of my luger's frame is totally blued, except the entrance of the barell which is not treated As soon as you find something about the version of my gun, can you let me know? Fred |
Two more photos from Fredo :
http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfuploa...ico_19.jpg.jpg http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfuploa...ico_20.jpg.jpg |
Hi Fredo,
The V. Bobba books about Swiss lugers is available at this web site in the USA. If costs brand new $ 120.00 USD and is out-of-print. Maybe you can find one in Switzerland so you do not have to pay the shipping from the USA : http://www.simpsonltd.com/Merchant2/...tegory_Code=BK Here are two last photos from Fredo showing his luger's interior finish : http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfuploa...ico_21.jpg.jpg http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfuploa...ico_22.jpg.jpg Regards, Pete... |
Fredo...
Forgot to mention the Bobba book is written in Italian and English---side by side... You will see the most museum-quality photos of some of the nicest Swiss lugers that exist in the world. It is very well worth the price and most Swiss luger nuts I know that have purchased this book have not regretted spending the money. I suspect the book will even tempt you to seek out and find other Swiss lugers to add to your collection !!! :D Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" /> |
Fredo,
As to what type/variation your luger is : 1. I think, based on the V. Bobba tables I posted above, your Model 1900/06 W+F Swiss Bern luger is a 2nd. series, 1st. variation. 2. The fact that your frame interior is blue, makes it so. 3. Yours still has the stepped breechblock. 4. Your early trigger side plate is the only odd thing about your luger. Usually these would have the more simple side plate with the "island" that runs all the way to the top edge...but your side-plate is properly stamped with your guns' serial number...so it more than liekely left the Bern factory as so... Bobba says after serial number 27501...the more simple trigger side plate occurred...but your serial # 27958 certainly proves him wrong in this aspect. My guess is the day Bern was making your luger in 1928 they had on hand both the old style and the new style trigger side plates available and decided to use an old style plate on your pistol to use up existing inventory and not waste the extra gun parts in the factory...just a WAG, though...(WAG = wild ass guess...). Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" /> |
Pete
May I asked if this model is part of the low or high end Swiss Luger and what could be it price. I paid 800.- SwissFrancs (~600$) for it is it goog? |
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