Shipping into California
 

Hi all, I'd like to sell a Luger to a guy in California who has a C&R license. I've tried reading the various rules & regs posted on

http://caag.state.ca.us/firearms/

but really can't work it all out !

I believe that I have to transfer pistols through an 01 dealer, (whereas some long guns can go direct to an 03), could any Californian's out there help me stay within the law ?

Thanks, Stu

Stu, Your are correct that Calif. doesn't recognize the FCL for interstate shipments. They want their $15 transfer fee for every gun sold in their state. Also not every FFL is elgible to handle transfers. It must be a "transfer dealer" who does the DROS (dealer record of sale) and sends in the transfer fee to the state. TH

Thanks Tom. This gets really complicated ! FGS states they will ship direct to a C&R in CA, Empire Arms won't.

Who's committing the crime; the seller or the buyer ?

In order for me to ship a rework gun to Californian native I need a C&R FFL AND a Certificate of Eligibility issued by the Dept of Justice or to an approved dealer. There are over 80 pages of state regs JUST for California. New Mexico has 2 pages. I am GLAD to live in this state.

I have had several guns shipped direct to my doorstep here in California...signature required on delivery.

These have ALL been acknowledged C&R pistols...if they are not, they must be on the CA-DOJ list of guns that have passed the "drop test".

All but one seller were either a FFL dealer or a C&R holder. One private fellow who did not have a C&R used his local transfer FFL dealer to make the shipment to my home.

I have both my C&R Licence and my CA-State COE; which I send originally signed copies of to the seller before the shipment is made.

Once the gun is in my possession, I have 5 calendar days to fill-out a CA-DOJ "registration' form and mail it in with my $ 14.00 per gun fee. If I do more than one gun at the same time, the fee drops to $ 10.00 per gun. Usually 2-3 weeks later, I get a nice letter from the CA-DOJ thanking me for my registration and confirmation the gun is now in their database...I save all the paperwork for each gun, including the CA-DOJ letters. I also make the appropriate entries in my C&R "bound book"...

I have even made gun purchases out of state in person and then brought the gun into the state myself (either driving or flying...). Same routine with the CA-DOJ paperwork...

I have not used a transfer FFL dealer/shop for over 1.5 years, now...

Regards,

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Many thanks for all the information. I confess to always being a little circumspect where the law isn't clear, and this is one area it appears particularly murky.

Just as a thought; should one not follow the correct procedure is the seller, buyer or both guilty of a crime ?