How Much Cleaning...?
 

Would like to get some opinions on how much cleaning is enough when a collector-grade luger is brought home.

I know one local collector that cleans his guns so throughly, they look like they just came from the factory. I think he even cleans up the rust/patina with application of Flitch or Simichrome.

Another collector near me uses an ultra-sonic cleaner/bath...

Seems like they are throughly cleaned but in the process the signs of age are removed (i.e. rust, patina, old caked-on grease and cosmoline, etc.)

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

Pete, I think that the amount of cleaning is a personal choice. The evidence fo dried up oil and grease on/under internal parts is often a good sign of it not being refinished at some time in the past. However the lack thereof does not necessarily indicate a reblue either. I personally like mine clean on the outside and really don't bother too much with the internals with the exception of the ones that might cause a malfunction. One thing that has me puzzled though is the talk about the inside of the frames being 'in the white'. Every one of my Lugers that otherwise show no indication of a reblue or refinish is blued internally. I have yet to see one 'in the white'.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Herb:
<strong>One thing that has me puzzled though is the talk about the inside of the frames being 'in the white'. Every one of my Lugers that otherwise show no indication of a reblue or refinish is blued internally. I have yet to see one 'in the white'.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">If it's an Imperial-era Luger or made before the time Mauser went to salt bluing, the interior of the frame, the underside and interior of the slide rails should be "in the white". Salt bluing is a dip process whereas rust blue was applied by hand and the interior was left in it's original state..... unblued. There may be some exceptions but I don't know what they'd be.

I concur with Doubs... if it was made before 1937 the interior of the gun should be int he white. The magazine well, the top of the inside of the grip frame. Rust blue is hand applied on the outside of the gun. Blue on the interior says the the gun was dipped... not the original process.

I don't have my photo library archive available this week or I would post some photos showing what the inside should look like. Perhaps someone else has some good photos to show this distinction.

Pete, on the cleaning issue, when I was a Unit Armorer in the army, they told us that more guns are damaged by over-cleaning, than by not cleaning them.

:D

Ed

Here are picturs of the frame interior of my 1914 LP-08 Erfurt. Not the best pictures, but they will serve. The inside of my 1911 Erfurt is as white and clean as if it was made yesterday.

http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/0913aframeint.jpg

I don't remember where I read this, but...rust blued Lugers were blued in several stages, the rusting chemicals applied and the rust carded off several times before the finish reached its final depth. The interior of the gun was polished white after every applicatioin.

--Dwight