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trigger643 07-31-2003 12:45 AM

interesting dilemma
 
prospect 1. A luger. Restore, keep as original... Though Thor's work is soooo mighty tempting, I would probably settle for an early restored luger in 9mm... I hate rust, I hate pitting. Pet peaves.

So, when restoring a Luger, you really have to put a sign up, or at least I would, saying "not original - but restored". and price it thus.

Prospect 2. Springfield 1903A1 National Match. Rifle sold 1930. Rebarreled by Springfield 1933. Owned by 2 competitive shooters from 1930 to 2003, who applied their personal touches to modify this rifle for competition. Minor things. Sights, bolt, cocking nob, lower barrel band.

Question: Is it restored when I put back on this rifle the correct parts that were taken off? As you all probably know, these are unnumbered parts, these are readily available parts. These are legitimately correct parts. So, does this rifle become a restored rifle or a correct NM rifle? Is this a $3,200 restored rifle, or a $4,200 correct original rifle?

I am not refinishing a single part.

When I offer this rifle for sale, how should I represent it? "Restored", "corrected", "original"?
Keep in mind, I will be including the parts I removed from the rifle with the rifle.

Roadkill 07-31-2003 02:11 AM

Thor's restorations are such that the "as issued" factor isn't present. Not many 50+ guns could look that good. In 20 years it will be a problem.
Ref the 03, can't go wrong with being honest.

rk

Edward Tinker 07-31-2003 02:29 AM

Depends on the collecting fraternity.

Lugers came with MANY numbered parts. US guns didn't, so although I don't see a difference, US arms collectors are generally happy if the correct part, i.e. period part is on the gun.

Ed

trigger643 07-31-2003 02:47 AM

I deal in a lot of U.S. military arms. Correctness seems to hold priority over originality. When you get into an exotic like a National Match that was a competitive piece for over 30 years, it gets quite sticky as competitive shooters are known for their own little twinks and modifications to get that competitive edge. Yet, the "original parts" to put it back are available. This rifle's bolt and associated parts were really heavily modified, but they can be delt with easily.

saxman 08-04-2003 03:57 AM

Do the 03A1 parts have maker codes like M1 Carbine parts? If so, and you put the correct parts on it, I believe it becomes a 'restored' rifle. The 'correct original' must have all it's original parts. Admittedly, a master of matching finishes and aging parts can do one that you can't tell. Most M1 Carbines that you see in early WWII set-up are 'restored' or more commonly called 'put-togethers', but the sellers at the shows don't really advertise this, if they even know. Just like Lugers that have been 'matched' using correct, properly-numbered authentic parts - it can be very hard to tell sometimes if the parts are all original to that individual gun. If the parts' finish has been altered to match the rest of the gun, then that Luger is 'boosted' in my book.


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