Cleaning Rod
 

Help! I have come across a brass cleaning rod with steel oil bottle for a handle. The brass cleaning rod is 7" long ,with the oil bottle being milled from solid bar stock and blued. There are no markings of any type and no proof marks on it. Can anybody help me identify this tool and if it is original or a repo? When I get my camera back I'll post a photo, TTFN.

http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/GKCR1.JPG

http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/GKCR2.JPG

http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/GKCR3.JPG

(this post edited by John Sabato to display the photos rather than just give the URL)


George <img src="graemlins/wave.gif" border="0" alt="[byebye]" />

George,

Although your description is not bad... nothing works like a photo.

Can you post a photo of your cleaning rod? You can scan the cleaning rod with a flatbed scanner if you don't have access to a digital camera...

Just a shot in the dark... does it look like this photo?

http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/cl...er09302002.jpg

I have a 6 inch cleaning rod that looks like that one. What is the background of this type rod, as opposed to the loop kind. <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />

I know that I have a reproduction artillery that looks mostly like that on the barrel end, but other than that....

Cleaning rods with oilers were available for any length barrel, from 4" to carbine. They were usually associated with commercial Lugers as part of a cased set, either presentation or salesman samples. They were also issued with Dutch and Portuguese Lugers. The rod may be of brass or blued steel.

Really Nice Photographs altera6

This cleaning rod is in really good condition.

Probably Portugese or commercial like Ron Wood said.

I wonder if it could also be from a Finnish Luger set? Any other opinions out there... or maybe even somebody with the facts! [img]biggrin.gif[/img]

Just a point of interest. I purchased an M2 Portugese Luger rig a few years ago from a collector who said he'd owned it since it was brought into the country in the 1960's. The cleaning rod is exactly as the one shown in this thread. When I opened the "oil" can, I noted that it's about half full of grease which I think is likely original. Was the container intended to hold grease or oil? Or maybe both according to need?

The reservoir was meant to hold grease.

Albert

This is my cleaning rod with oil bottle:

http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/Cleaningrod.jpg
fixed by Ed [img]smile.gif[/img]


Albert, if you remember, I show you this item last year in Paris.
Ciao
Mauro

So, Is my cleaning rod the real deal or not?

George

[quote]Originally posted by altera6:
<strong>So, Is my cleaning rod the real deal or not?
George</strong><hr></blockquote>

It certainly appears to be original and in excellent condition besides. IMO, it's the 'real deal".

There are some nicely done fakes floating around. A key thing to look for is, on the fakes, the distinction between the blued steel oiler/greaser and the brass rod is crimped as opposed to being a threaded, nearly invisible joint.

Tom A
Who has an original carbine cleaning rod FS on Ebay

This is the cleaning rod/oiler that my daughter purchased for me.

It is indeed of original manufacture, but not original configuration. The shaft was apparently broken off in the upper section. It is shortened, rethreaded, and soldered into the upper section.

To blend the brass to the steel nipple, both were turned while assembled after solder. A gradual slight taper starts about 1/2 inch from the nipple and continues straight on the nipple to the band. The nipple is cold blued. If you look at the second photo in the first post of this thread, and reposted here, you can see the ring of solder at the juncture of the brass and steel.

Overall, this is a piece of trash, but I do not have the heart to tell my daughter, so I will proudly display this gobbed together piece until my daughters have completed their degrees. Some things are more important than Lugers.

http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/GKCR2.JPG

A beauty! I'd display this with pride.

Your daughters are FAR more important than any ole Luger and how many would think to get something like this.

Display it with pride, its the thought that counts. [img]smile.gif[/img]

I am very curious...I have never examined a cleaning rod like this first hand.

If the tool is made of a combination of brass and steel, how is an original rod attached to the nipple? It is soldered? or crimped? or how?

John, in addition too a few complete rods, I have a berrel only, no rod and no cap with dipper. The barrel or drum, what ever it is called, is female threaded to receive a male threaded rod. Hope I used the correct wording.

From your description then, would it be reasonable to presume that the solder used on the rod pictured here was a method to permanently secure the brass rod to the threaded nipple? Could this be a repair, or original methodology for assembly?

Thanks...

This is a repair, it is not original. There was no solder used. Hope all is well with your daughter, we pray for your family.

Thanks for your speedy reply and your sentiments Howard... both are much appreciated.

I am sitting here looking at the cleaning rod and it looks like solder to me. Silver colored.
What about the cold blue, and the machining?
Was this sold to someone without telling them that this was a repair?
That is quite a bit unethical, don't you think?

There are two ways to interpret policeluger's post and I have taken one of them.

The other reply would be: You mean that there was no solder used in the original assembly of cleaning rods?