TM-08 Un-Loading Tool...
 

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Just wondering if folks think this item is real ? I can only find it mentioned in one of the many Luger books I have...the one by Mauro Baudino on LP-08's...

Still, Kenyon, Bender, Datig...do not mention an un-loading tool...only a loading tool.

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They were probably put together by post WWI police units from loading tools. Ed Sayre studied these things for years and that was his conclusion.

I can not imagine a stormtrooper during WWI unloading a snail drum.

Just as possible that it was a support or depot level maintenance tool (also made from loading tools) to unload magazines on which maintenance was required or due...????

Hello guys,
I have analyzed this tool in my book at page 63.
According to the â??Ausbildung mit der langen Pistole 08 mit Trommelmagazine 18.2.1918â?� the TM08 were delivered inside P-Kasten Woden boox) in the following configuration:
â?¢ 5 Trommelmagazine mit Schutzappen (5 TM08 with dust cover)
â?¢ 1 Fuller (One loading tool)
â?¢ 480 Pistolen-patronen (16 Patronenschachtlen)

The unloading tool was not present in the aforementioned items.

The unloading tool is not described in the â??Anleitung zur Langen Pstole 08 mit ansteckbarem Trommelmagazinâ?� the TM08 instruction and use manual.
At the contrary, the use of loading tool was described in the aforementioned manual.

There are no evidences that this item was used in the WWI.
The Sturmtruppen do not have time to load again a TM08 during the attack!

I guess that this item is a post-war modification.
Ciao

In mine P.Kasten just 8x4 box of 16 patronen so 512 patronen in fact
So what for the other we know in USA ??
Best regards Pat

My TM08kasten holds 5x7x16 or 560 rounds. The unloaders when examined all show signs of having been cut and welded. They are clearly modified loaders.

During the period of the Red uprisings in Germany (1918-1925) the police were frequently armed with MP18s. These first submachine guns were fed with the TM08. It is quite probable that these cops went out on patrol in their urban districts armed with fully loaded snails and speed guns.

As is the case today, these cops would have returned to the station, most often, with still fully loaded weapons. If a snail is left loaded for any time the spring is seriously weakened. Figure it out, cops unloaded their weapons.

During the war, I would imagine Stosstruppen would simply fire off 32 rounds to the west when they needed to unload. It's a pain in the ass to unload a full TM08 with the right thumb.

Wouldn't that be a pain in the thumb? Would it hurt more if you used the wrong thumb? These questions just keep coming to mind. :confused: <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Hi Ed,
As you know the most important difference between the Sturmtruppen and the normal Infantry was the fight tactics. The Sturmtruppen implemented, for the first time, the attacks with limited objectives and the elastic defense. While German artillery suppressed the French guns with gas shell, detachment of Sturmtruppen charged over the top to open gaps in French wire. The Sturmtruppen were followed by the line infantry, swarming forward in skirmish lines and occupied the French position.
I guess, but this is my speculation, that the Sturmtruppen were well armed before the attack with adequate and complementary weapons strictly finalized for the mission. All details were taken into account. The attack should be rapid with the line infantry that follows and consolidate the position. I really think that, in this context, the TM08 were loaded before the attack and not reloaded up to the end of the rapid fight. I donâ??t think that the Sturmtruppen had the loading or unloading tool available during the quick attack.

This is my thought and, of course, could be wrong.

Ciao
Mauro

Thanks Mauro, mine was simply conjecture and as I thought about, I thought the after the war years were more likely to have been used, especially by the police like George stated.
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