John Martz Carbine
 

Does anyone have a ballpark figure for a John Martz Carbine? I have not seen the carbine yet, but it was described as being as new, carbine configuration in 9mm with 16" barrel, stock, and Boyt canvas carrying case. The left side of the receiver was stamped with the MSTR (Martz Safe Toggle Release), which identifies the maker. Apparently it started out as a 1920's vintage commercial as it is C/N proofed on the receiver, and the four digit serial number with a letter m suffix has been moved to the back of the frame. Any help appreciated

The Blue Book lists a Maertz Carbine with stock for:
100% $7900
98% 5650
95% 3600
* My book is a couple of years old

Garfield's pricing is right on. Here's a 16" 1917.

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[img]cool.gif[/img] Martz's have always interested me.

very nice pics!

Thanks for the replys. Had no idea that it would be listed in the Blue Book.

Hey there Jim Elson,....

Is this great Martz carbine in the Elson collection ?

If yes, congratulations !!!

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Hi Pete - Yes I've been fortunate to be able to secure three masterpieces from John Martz; a 16", 9mm Carbine; a 6" 45 ACP; and most recently a '00 2", 9mm Am Eagle (photos). John is in process of making a 7", 357sig on my G Date. For the purists these are made out of total mismatched units, but the end result is stunning. Not only is the workmanship flawless, but they are a kick to shoot.

Nice meeting you in Reno and thanks for the note on grips.

Regards,

Jim

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Mr. Elson,
I would just like to say that those two Lugers are BEAUTIFUL!!! You are very lucky to own such peices!

Thanks for posting pictures!

Very Best Regards,Brandon

<img src="graemlins/jumper.gif" border="0" alt="[jumper]" /> Absolutely stunning! <img src="graemlins/jumper.gif" border="0" alt="[jumper]" />

I'd like to hear more about the P.08 reworked for the 357 SIG. What action/frame strengthening is required?

Hello again, Jim,

I think some of us Bay Area guys will need to crash your party the next time you take these Martz beauties out for a shooting date !!!

What wonderful lugers !!!
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I don't know what action and frame work is necessary for the 357 Sig but I think John has it figured out. Anyone traveling thru the Valley is always welcome to give a call - if it's a weekday, I'll probably be here. I can always find time to go shoot.

Jim

Hi Jim,

Thanks for sharing those beautiful photos. I hope you don't mind that I saved those photos so I can stare at them for a few hours. All are fantastic showpieces but that carbine is the stuff dreams are made of. I am glad computer keyboards aren't ruined by drool.

Thanks to all of you for your kind comments. Iâ??m feel very fortunate to have these showpieces but the credit goes to the genius of John Martz. I have three of his guns because every time I go to visit him, he shows me something I gotta have!!

He is 78, I think on Wednesday, and still going strong. If youâ??re ever going up the 80 corridor by Roseville itâ??s a worthwhile side trip.

Thanks again,

Jim

Hello Again, Jim,

Can you educate me on what the four (4) letters, on the left-side of the frames on both your carbine and baby, stand for ?

Pete...

PETE !!!

Hey dude, read Johnnys posting, I'll bet it is MSTR (Martz Safe Toggle Release) yuck, yuck, heh, heh... [img]biggrin.gif[/img]

Okay, I'll go back to work, still writing those reports up.

Hello Ed,

Does this MSTR thingy act like a "de-cocking" lever; like in modern day auto-pistols ?

Does this MSTR also act like a regular thumb safety, as well ?

In which direction does it act as a thumb safety and in what direction does it do the MSTR function ?

Pete

Oh for goodness sakes Pete, I'm over 40, I read this like 15 years ago!

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Johnny or Jim?

MSTR still functions like a normal thumb safety. After you have fired the last shot and the toggle remains open, you can remove the old magazine and insert a loaded one. Then by placing the thumb safety lever to the "Safe" position, the MSTR will automatically release the toggle, chambering the first round. The weapon is now loaded and the safety is applied.

Cool!

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