my grandfathers bring back
 

1.toggle marking-s/42
2.only thing on chamber is year of manufacture(1939)
3.the toggle knob,is round,and checkered about 3/4,on edge,and completely covered on ends
4.there is no grip safety
5.stock lug is present
6.the grips are completely checkered not sure of tpe of wood,but they are marked with last two of serial #
7.thumb safety,is present,if down shows word gesichert,in white,if up nothing but mill marks,on frame
8.no markings on grip,only marking on frame is a fancy n,on front,under serial #, 3 birds on right side of slide toward barrel:
1st bird wings out appears to be holding 83
2nd bird wings out appears to be holding 63
3rd bird wings down no numbers
Another bird like the third on barrel,right past the markingsd on slide
Under barrel,toward frame serial #,with 8.83 under it.
9.barrel is standard length,from several others i have seen,but do not have a ruler
10.marking on left side of extractor,appears to be a g,or 6,cant see any other markings on the extractor
11.rear sight is a pretty fine v notch,front shaped like a triangle,with left,and right adjustment,ramp is checked,front part of blade is rounded
12.mag bottom is aluminum (have two, both matching this weapons serial # which is 75xx) are marked with serial # across the big round part of mag bottom,fancy n,under that,with +,under that,and a bird with wings out,holding appears to be 63.

Was wondering if someone can help me find out the unit that it came from,and other ins,and outs of the piece,also have the holster marked A.FISCHER
BERLINC.2
1939
the holster sounds to be like a police holster from what i have read,is black, also has a bird wings out,holding a swaztica under the manufacture but isnt very sharp in the leather anymore, strap on front, runs up the center of holster, goes under loop on flap,and over brass knob,on flap,has mag loader,in flap,but is not numbered,also,has the former german owners name inside flap,with my granpaws,right beside it ,both in lead pencil(mirfe)is the former.
the luger is in about 90%(finish is worn off at sides of muzzle,and on side plate left side of luger(from holster wear)bore is sharp,very nice.holsteris also very nice,but front strap has lost the tip and does not have the hole that goes over the brass knob any longer,there are serial markings all over the luger (all matching,mostly the last 2 digits.
thanks for any input,thanks again

Dave, sounds like a really nice rig! I have several friends that like matching mag guns, let alone two!! <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" />

Does your Luger have a sear safety? That would point definately to it being a police Luger. The holster sounds like a police holster, and many (most) were made in Berlin for the police. Can you provide pictures, either scanned in or digital? I can help with posting them if you'd like?

Let me help a bit:

1. s/42 ** Made by Mauser, this was their "code"
2. year of manufacture(1939)
3. toggle knob **good**
4. no grip safety **correct**
5.stock lug is present **good**
6. the grips .. are marked with last two of serial # **excellent**
7.thumb safety **correct**
8. no markings on grip,only marking on frame is a fancy n, **N block, I will need to look this up**
3 birds on right side of slide toward barrel **are proof and acceptance stamps**:
1st bird wings out appears to be holding 83
2nd bird wings out appears to be holding 63
3rd bird wings down no numbers
Another bird like the third on barrel,right past the markingsd on slide
Under barrel,toward frame serial #,with 8.83 under it. **equals the land to land of the rifeling**
9.barrel is standard length,from several others i have seen,but do not have a ruler **good**
10.marking on left side of extractor,appears to be a g,or 6,cant see any other markings on the extractor
11.rear sight is a pretty fine v notch,front shaped like a triangle,with left,and right adjustment,ramp is checked,front part of blade is rounded **?? I think fine**
12.mag bottom is aluminum (have two, both matching this weapons serial # which is 75xx) are marked with serial # across the big round part of mag bottom,fancy n,under that,with +,under that,and a bird with wings out,holding appears to be 63. **excellent**

A sear safety would look like this (a good posting by Ron earlier):
http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/SafetyParts.jpg

yes it does have the bar,and sear,can you tell if it was issued too a specific unit?or even region of the country?my grand father was in france,belgium,austria,and germany,.brought back many wonderful things,my cousin has 2 awsome daggers,w/belt,buckles,all the extras,not sure who has the nazi flag,just wondering ,and would it have been issued to a military unit or just police?thanks again

Usually just a police unit, there were many police that were placed into the military as hitler had his army go into other countries. Unless it has police markings, usually on the grip strap, then it is almost impossible to figure out the specific unit.

Does it have the sear safety also? All Lugers have the sear bar and above it would be the sear safety. It is possible that the holster did not belong to the gun, unless it is serial numbered to the gun. I have a 1942 police that is serial numbered for the holster and gun. But many guns were picked up and then a holster from another stack, so sometimes they don't match.

I finally looked up more information in Jan Stills 3rd Reich Lugers.

The S42 1939 was made from serial number 4000n - 6000r, there were 38,500 made.

The army acceptance stamps should be the Eagle (bird) 63 or E/83

Jan states that only about 600 1939 S/42 were procured for the Police, so it is fairly rare in that regard. There should be some police acceptance stamps on it, an E/L (eagle L).

Usually magazines are numbered 1, 2 or 3 for the police, although Bill M., has seen them for the police that were with the plus sign, which is for the 2nd magazine.

that is correct only one of the mags have the + sign,but the other does is blank,in that area.
in have looked,but do not see any other matkings on the luger,than descibed,but the army acceptance stamps.thanks again ive learned alot

A *very* nice heirloom; this is a wonderful rig that is worth some serious money. Treasure it as you treasure your granddad's memory.

Re: your question "would it have been issued to a military unit or just police?"; you should understand that police units were deployed with the military on the front, especially in the east, and were widely engaged in both combat operations and "sonderkommando" activities directed against partisans and also, shamefully, civilians who happened to be of the wrong ethnic group.

Sounds like a great rig and worth a lot. Take care of it!

Tom A.

thanks i have treasured the piece my entire life,i wouldnt take a million dollars for it.

Pardon me if I'm 'preaching to the choir', but get that pistol cleaned and oiled to prevent/stop any unseen corrosion, and don't keep it in the holster. Photograph it from all angles, record the serial number, write up everything you know about it, how you got it and where it came from, and get it insured. It probably would be best if you did not fire it - you wouldn't want to break any original parts, which would destroy the value of the gun. Store it in a secure, climate-controlled place, such as a gun safe, in the living space of your home.