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ithacaartist 10-31-2019 10:42 PM

Recent Non-Luger Acquisitions
 
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At online auctions, I've won a Savage Model 1907 and yet another Llama Model IIIA in .380.
I also bought a '44 built Enfield #4 MK1 from a friend.
No pics of the rifle yet, but here are some auction house shots of the other two. (yes, the Savage is a project gun!)

ithacaartist 10-31-2019 10:47 PM

Llama IIIA
 
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Llama IIIA

wlyon 10-31-2019 11:21 PM

I like both. Good find

rolandtg 10-31-2019 11:46 PM

Good scores!
I really like the little Llamas!

Edward Tinker 11-01-2019 01:30 AM

I have liked the Llamas since I was a kid and the Savage pistols are just too cool.

DonVoigt 11-01-2019 10:23 AM

Interesting repair to the front of the Savage!

ithacaartist 11-01-2019 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by DonVoigt (Post 328455)
Interesting repair to the front of the Savage!

The area behind the washer was very shiny and silver. It seemed like lead solder and scraped off with my fingernail. Beneath that is what appears to be epoxy. It's anybody's guess what's under that.

The plan it to restore the nose of the slide and re-blue the entire pistol since it is entirely in the white.

lugerholsterrepair 11-01-2019 11:59 AM

I never had a Savage that would feed & function. Cool LOOKING little pistols though.

rhuff 11-01-2019 04:02 PM

I have always liked the old Llama handguns. They are fun to shoot.

sdmark777 11-01-2019 08:15 PM

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Just remember to case harden the trigger and put that front sight blade back on that Savage :D Two nice diversions, from Lugers, that is. Good luck with your project.

ithacaartist 11-02-2019 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by lugerholsterrepair (Post 328459)
I never had a Savage that would feed & function. Cool LOOKING little pistols though.

I was delighted to find that this one cooked right along, no misfeeds or malfunctions! I got lucky, perhaps. If so, it's about time!

The extractor was launched over my shoulder, to the left. It's in this room, and I have a magnet--wish me luck.

Other than recoil springs I've seen listed, parts for these are reputedly non-existent.

ithacaartist 11-02-2019 09:23 PM

I lucked out with the grip panels on this Savage, which are steel. Most are gutta-percha and few of those are in good shape. There's one little dent at the top of one of these, but that will tap right out and be as good as new.

Lugerdoc 11-03-2019 11:36 AM

Lifer et al, I do have a good selection of both small frame Llama and Savage pistol parts. TH

tomaustin 11-03-2019 11:48 AM

you guys are gonna learn one day to have a supply of large clear plastic bags for disassembly.....saved many parts that way.......

ithacaartist 11-04-2019 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Lugerdoc (Post 328484)
Lifer et al, I do have a good selection of both small frame Llama and Savage pistol parts. TH

This info is the nicest surprise I've had all day. Just in case...do you have an extractor in stock, Tom? ;)

Here's a question for you, et al... The nose of the slide, along with a front sight, must have an integral area that guides the slide as it navigates the barrel when the gun is fired, similar to how the barrel bushing of a 1911works. My question is how long is the internal "sleeve" that rides the barrel? It works OK with the drilled-out washer that was cobbed on, but it seems to me that it originally must have been an affair with more to bear on the barrel than the thickness of a washer. If my question is coherent, I'd be delighted to have a measurement!

ithacaartist 11-04-2019 02:40 AM

These Savage pistols are interesting. While perusing auctions, I saw one that had a more traditional "tab" type spur on its hammer, while most seem to be the fluted ring type. I suspect it was an earlier example. Its rear sight, as on a couple of others I've observed, is a groove in the top of an upward swelling at the rear of the slide, whereas mine has a tiny rear sight dovetailed in. I guess I'll have to brush up on what these configurations mean in terms of when they were produced.

Their bolts and trigger systems are intriguing as well--very clever, quite intricate, and very finely made.

Sergio Natali 11-04-2019 05:16 AM

Very nice acquisition, congrats!

BTW great pictures too.

sdmark777 11-18-2019 11:22 AM

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As per David's request, here are some pics and measurements to help with his rebuilding of the front of the slide on his Savage 1907. Sorry for the delay in posting, my Savage was not readily accessible. I included the rear sight so you can confirm yours is the same. The front of the slide is machined from solid stock and there is no separate bushing as can be seen in the pics. So yes, there is more than the width of a washer contacting the barrel, ie dimension A, .170"

sdmark777 11-18-2019 11:23 AM

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last 2 pics

sdmark777 11-18-2019 03:52 PM

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FYI, both the trigger and magazine release lever appear to have case hardening color with the barrel being left bare.


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