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Trying to identify from 3 pics a DWM dated 1921, with no stock lug. Pics show no markings other than last two of serial.

I know of no DWM 1921 Luger that is not equipped with a stock lug.

Could a DWM first issue pistol without a stock lug have been re-worked and gotten a property mark in 1921 under the Weimar government?

A possibility.

More likely it is just mismatched and/or had the lug removed.

Tough to say without seeing the pictures. Just trying to be an optimist.

I own P08 Navy #39 (a very rare gun, one of only 150 made) which entered Imperial Navy service in 1913. It was stamped 1921 when it continued on in the Weimar Navy. It has no stock lug.
Norm

What model would it be if the stock lug had been ground off?

DWM made commercial and military P08 pistols in 1921; could be either.

a 1908 or the like model with a ground off stock lug - with a few examples of HP (police) that were ground off by the unit.

Finally got some better pics from the owner. DonVoigt you guessed it. The stock lug has been ground off of the pistol, and the ground down area is bare metal. Also all the numbers do not match. Price is 1,250 LOL I was hoping it was an example like Norme showed, but no such luck.
All who responded, thanks for the info.

I wonder if the Navy "1921" used as a property mark was a (deliberate?) misinterpretation of the Weimar property marking order? That or were almost all the ones processed and marked for Weimar ownership done in 1920.

It's the only example I'm aware of where "1921" was used as a property mark instead of a production date by DWM.

I have two military DWM pistols dated 1921. One is a VoPo rework (never re-issued) and the other is this one, with two WaA4 dove style Reichsadler acceptance marks. These dates are closer to the breech block over the chamber than the property marks are, and are machine die applied instead of being more inconsistently stamped.

According to Sturgess (red book page 533), DMW continued to make military and police pistols until the Versailles IMKK commission gained access to the Charlottenburg Berlin factory in mid 1921 about the middle of the "b" block of production. They had produced 40-50,000 military and police Lugers to that point in the no suffix, "a" and middle "b" blocks.

After than a number of smaller scale concealment efforts took place producing some unusual pistols from DWM as authorized production shifted to Simson in Suhl.

I have read/seen reports or pictures of a few other "1921" property markings; in any bureaucracy
someone never gets the memo! :)

Perhaps even "stranger" are the 1921 dated lugers with an added "1920" property marking.:eek:
See the picture below.

I've bid on a couple 1920 dated pistols with the added 1920 property stamp, but "missed" them. How about that for redundancy, a 1920/1920 !:evilgrin:

Apparently, the French occupation forces in the city of Wiesbaden and parts of Hessen following the war required the police to remove the stock lugs of P08s, presumably to prevent their use as carbines. See http://www.historywritinsteel.com/New_Insights.html Item 11 and HWIS Chapter 16.