1917 Simson Weimar Police Rework Luger
 

Just got email that I won a 1917 Simson Weimar police rework luger on Gun Broker. Seller said all matching with extra magazine and holster. Paid $1700. Do you think that I paid to much? The gun has no rust and a bright shinning bore What can anyone tell me about this luger Thanks Leed709

this one
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/797319854

I think you did fine - you have a WW1 made by DWM in 1917 - at some point it was issued / taken over by the police, receiving sear safety (see FAQ) in the early 1930's. At some point it was sent to Simson for refurbishment - where it received a rear toggle - it could also have been refurbished at the police armory in Berlin for the newer barrel etc.

1917 Simson Luger
 

Yes, That is the luger that I won.

I believe it was likely "re-worked" by the Berlin TP, using Simson made parts.
I doubt Simson had anything to do with the work; as the TP stamp began to be used in 1934, by time which Simson was out of favor. JMHO.

Whoever did the work, it is a nice police luger and the extra mag is for sure a plus, along with the holster , making the $1700 a good price.

There is a lot of fluff and mis-information in the write up/ description though.
What he says about the grips being "Simson proofed" is silly, the S/42 and the gothic "S" are Mauser markings and the grips were not made or inspected by Simson. The marking on the barrel is TP not TPV as he states, and the eagle is is Weimar firing proof- and not the typical Simson firing proof eagle. The barrel was an inspected spare, installed in or after 1934. Neither the TP or PTV are rare or even scarce, again all based on
published info by three or four well known authors.

I disagree - Simson had the official refurbishment contract - it could very well have gone through Simson and then ended up at police where later it received a TP barrel (ref the rear toggle) - that is not seen too often on TP marked guns....

I agree with Don. The gun was originally an LP08. It was rebarreled by the TP in 1934 or later using a barrel which had been purchased from Simson earlier. The 2 on the bottom of the barrel probably indicates its' manufacture in 1922 by Simson. The gun was probably issued to the Gemeindepolizei. There are a number of similar examples. This type of rework of LP08s was also done in 1929-30 to arm the Landjägerei.

The rear toggle is quite odd, with the E/6 and the gothic S of a K date Mauser.

I'm pretty sure the inspector named E/6 did not disappear when Simson did, so perhaps he was still around inspecting spare parts?
:cheers:

1917 Luger shipped. Should arrive Thursday afternoon. Then I can find out a little about this luger and if I paid to much.