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hayhugh 11-16-2018 05:09 AM

Latest gun confiscate law
 
https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/s...cate-firearms/

Major Tom 11-16-2018 07:39 AM

So, if your neighbor or a pissed off friend or a vindictive ex wife told the police you were mentally incapable and dangerous to others, the PD would confiscate your guns? Sounds like nazi germany where people ratted out others. I would think a person would to be examined by a head doctor to determine state of mind. I agree that mentally handicapped people should not be owning guns.

hayhugh 11-16-2018 07:51 AM

All of these states have adopted this law and nobody knows about it!

Pistol 11-16-2018 08:20 AM

Unreal

DonVoigt 11-16-2018 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Major Tom (Post 320875)
So, if your neighbor or a pissed off friend or a vindictive ex wife told the police you were mentally incapable and dangerous to others, the PD would confiscate your guns? Sounds like nazi germany where people ratted out others. I would think a person would to be examined by a head doctor to determine state of mind. I agree that mentally handicapped people should not be owning guns.

But who decides which "head doctor" ?

I do believe none of these "laws" allow an upfront challenge; only After one has lost his firearms can he or she avail themselves of due process;
thus it turns the "process" upside down or backwards.

Please define "mentally handicapped". Some folks actually believe that "wanting" a firearm is evidence of some mental problem.:mad:

hayhugh 11-16-2018 09:21 AM

All according to how the local police define the "law"...….

lugerholsterrepair 11-16-2018 12:12 PM

some other way.

HerrKaiser 11-16-2018 01:31 PM

As I understand the premise of these laws, one is allowed to instead delegate one’s firearms to the custody of a family member. Not that such provisions will be recognized or allowed but at least by letter they exist. Hopefully these cases will be a testing ground for the new SCOTUS.

Edward Tinker 11-16-2018 02:10 PM

Jerry, I disagree that PTSD is a reason to nullify the 2nd amendment. Really?

This was a huge discussion on the Facebook page of Vet 2 Vet - where they have about 300,000 members. I also know many gun folks hate facebook, especially guys my age.
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This law is too broad, anybody could say you are a threat and then take away your guns - once taken, they are almost impossible to get them back. I know of a S&W 1911 clone that was seized, the guy found innocent but he never got his 1911 back from the police. They stated the request had to go through a lawyer, etc, etc and the process would have cost twice what the gun was worth. So, I imagine if the police showed up at 5 AM at my house and stated they were there to take away my firearms, I would get irate too....

lugerholsterrepair 11-16-2018 02:22 PM

My apologies to those who are affected.

Edward Tinker 11-16-2018 04:12 PM

well aware of the pitfalls of PTSD - nor do I need a lecture on it.

And I have felt many folks go for it via the VA, because they may or may not have it, but you saying their rights should be taken away - there is no law stating such by the federal gov't. My point is that you are willing to classify that as a reason to take firearms from americans. What is the next step?

Oh, you took so&so pills 5 yrs ago - rights taken - you once stated that you felt suicidal and the doctor logged it in.

You realize that if your rights are taken, pretty much the ENTIRE household should have them taken away.... Pretty slippery slope that you are ready and anxious to occur because of your nephew who is milking the system :)

DonVoigt 11-16-2018 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HerrKaiser (Post 320884)
As I understand the premise of these laws, one is allowed to instead delegate one’s firearms to the custody of a family member. Not that such provisions will be recognized or allowed but at least by letter they exist. Hopefully these cases will be a testing ground for the new SCOTUS.

Does not sound like the guy in the OP had much notice or a chance to "delegate".:rolleyes:

lugerholsterrepair 11-16-2018 04:44 PM

Pretty clear to me.

HerrKaiser 11-16-2018 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonVoigt (Post 320892)
Does not sound like the guy in the OP had much notice or a chance to "delegate".:rolleyes:

Hence the clause that it may not be recognized or allowed to occur by the court systems that enforce them. However, when I was reading into the Florida laws on this after Parkland they did say that giving possession of them to family members was an option. The 4th amendment is under attack even more so than the 2nd yet few people know enough to dispute the infringements on it that it’s crept further and further along, particularly since the war on drugs started.

mrerick 11-16-2018 06:19 PM

Some people here introduced and tried to push this type of law on us in NC during the last session.

The essence of these laws is that they eliminate the concept of "due process" to accelerate the process of disarming individuals. They are literally considered guilty until they can prove their innocence.

This is, in effect, the modern version of the Salem Witch Trials... Make an accusation, disarm the individual and then let them fight and spend their resources to re-establish their rights.

It is just the latest of the hundreds of anti-gun-owner strategies that are being simultaneously pursued by people that are scared of guns and want to eliminate them from our nation.

We actively resisted the attempts to pass these laws here, and they are sure to be reintroduced in the upcoming legislative session.

There are adequate existing laws in every state which allow for disarming a dangerous person (whether violent for mental issues, or other reasons) after following due process. This already includes confiscation triggered by protective risk orders (as established by Federal law 30 years ago).

DavidJayUden 11-16-2018 06:19 PM

Not a user of or an advocate for, but there is also the situation where anyone who has ever gotten a prescription for medical marijuana can not own a gun.
And a misdemeanor conviction for a minor incident fitting the description of "domestic abuse" will also bar ownership of firearms. Yes some situations justify the penalty, but others maybe not so much.
We are on a very slippery slope, gentlemen.
dju

calibrator 11-16-2018 07:10 PM

How many here are aware of the new phenomena called "SWATTING";

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatting

Innocent people have died from this "Prank".

It seems to me that any firearms owner living in a State that allows confiscation without due process could be hazardous to your health or LIFE. Theoretical example; I hate my neighbor, I see him loading his evil guns into the car every weekend, I'm going to call (insert name of local enforcement) and tell them about his "ODD" behavior that the rest of the block finds unsettling.

Here's a REALLY good one from god-forsaken CALIFORNIA, and a Progressive Congressman no less;

https://www.infowars.com/dem-congres...-war-scenario/

Well Brothers, PLEASE don't say (and expect rational thinkers to believe) you support and cherish your gun rights and then vote BLUE.

calibrator 11-16-2018 07:20 PM

Here's the picture of an upstanding Californian (Blue ?) that is living the American Dream;

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/13/u...g-wichita.html

Good thing this guy isn't your neighbor, but his brother could be. :evilgrin:

Edward Tinker 11-16-2018 07:37 PM

Closed

jerry, yes, you were lecturing me. I have a decent education and can read and understand, just because you think different, doesn't make you right.


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