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Spanner 10-17-2017 09:31 PM

Simson not firearm
 
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Saw this post war bicycle stem badge and thought it interesting enough to buy it. What drew me to it was that the logo was still the 3 pyramid logo from the Simson factory of old. Too bad someone thought they needed to flatten the heck out of it.

Major Tom 11-13-2017 02:56 PM

I bet 'Mike' of the "Pickers" TV show would buy that! He is big on vintage bicycles and parts.

ithacaartist 11-13-2017 03:40 PM

I'm not surprised. A few (3 or more) years back, I encountered a 50s vintage Simson moped in the museum in Hammondsport, NY. Alas, I cannot find the pic now--but it's on the site somewhere.

sheepherder 11-13-2017 04:18 PM

I'd like to hear from Gerben (or other German member) how the post-war Simson family/name was restored after the 1930's Nazification... :)

Spanner 11-19-2017 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by sheepherder (Post 310481)
I'd like to hear from Gerben (or other German member) how the post-war Simson family/name was restored after the 1930's Nazification... :)

The book 'Simpson Lugers' briefly covers some of it.

sheepherder 11-19-2017 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Spanner (Post 310616)
The book 'Simpson Lugers' briefly covers some of it.

I don't have the book. The sources I Googled only briefly dwelt on the company itself (or the company formed after the Soviets turned it back over to the private sector) and there is nothing about reparations to the Simson family, or if control/ownership was restored to the Simson family following the Nazi and Soviet 'nationalization'.

There is only brief mention of Löb and Moses Simson and nothing about their descendants (if any). I have wondered if any survived the mass arrests and incarceration and of course the war itself. Also if the Soviets persecuted the family.

A sad story. :(

George Anderson 11-19-2017 02:49 PM

After running off the Simsons the Nazis renamed it Gustloffwerk in honor of a young Nazi who was murdered in Switzerland by a Jewish man. Then came the communists in 1945 and the renamed Thalmannwerk after some obscure communist hero. Thalmannwerk is the entity that produced the rather rare East German manufactured Lugers.

Oddly enough, the DDR made and exported very high quality sporting arms prior to the "Wall" coming down. I had a fantastic Merkel double twelve that was marked and marketed as such but made in Suhl, East Germany. I also had a chance to buy a 28 gauge double Simson. Like the Merkel it was made in Suhl by the East Germans. As a 28 gauge it was almost certainly made for the US market.

Edward Tinker 11-20-2017 12:34 AM

There is a book on the Simson company, it is in German

Copyright Edward Tinker / Graham Johnson
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Nevertheless, Arthur Simson and four of his leading employees were indicted for corruption. On April 14, 1935, Arthur Simson was jailed in Berlin’s Moabit Prison. To soften him up, the Gestapo also arrested his nephew and successor, Dr. Ewald Mayer, and Ewald’s brother Georg. After seven months, Arthur Simson was promised his freedom if he admitted his guilt and signed over all rights in his company to Fritz Sauckel. Under duress, Simson signed, posted bond, and was released.

Fearing that the confiscation of his company and his fortune was only the beginning, on Sunday, the 9th. of February 1936 he and the Mayer brothers crossed the border to the safety of Switzerland and from there emigrated to the US. From that time on, in the Simson family the day of their escape was celebrated as a second birthday, although it also signified the end of the family’s involvement in the Company they had founded. Arthur Simson died in Los Angeles in 1969 at the age of 87.

In 1936, Gauleiter Sauckel, proud of his “blow against the international Jewish conspiracy”, renamed the Simson factories as “Berlin-Suhler Waffen- und Fahrzeugwerke”, abbreviated BSW. When Wilhelm Gustloff, the leader of the Swiss Nazi Party, was assassinated, the factories became the core company of Sauckel’s “Wilhelm Gustloff Foundation”. Some who did not believe in Hitler’s thousand-year Reich gave BSW another meaning—“Bis Simson Weiderkommt”, or “Until Simson Returns”!

After the confiscation, the Nazis substantially increased the production of war materiel. From 1937 to 1944, annual production increased from 20 million to 71 million Reichmarks. Among other products, BSW produced five different anti-aircraft guns, the machine gun MG42, and the rocket launcher “Püppchen”.

On April 3, 1945, American troops occupied the undamaged factories. The Potsdam Agreement made Thuringia part of the Soviet-occupied zone, and three months later the Red Army rolled into Suhl. Originally, Soviet plans were to completely raze the factory, but they limited themselves to crating all modern machines and shipping them to Russia. BSW engineer Alfred Albrecht remembers, “Every day we used up two railroad cars of lumber for crating. We removed 4,200 machines. The Soviets were particularly proud to have captured a very recently-developed automatic polishing machine for shotgun barrels. We had to crate it overnight for shipment to Tula. The obsolete machines remained”.

Some of the buildings were dynamited by the Soviets. What remained was used by companies producing bicycles, strollers, and motorcycles; after a while, hunting gun production resumed. A large part of the goods went to Russia as reparations.

Right after the war, nobody thought about returning the property to the rightful owners. The Soviets integrated the company into the “SAG Awtowelo”, the state stock company producing motorcycles. When the DDR was founded, most factories became “Volkseigene Betriebe”, plants owned by the people. This meant another new name—“VEB Fahrzeug- und Gerätewerk Simson Suhl” (1952).

The name “Simson” was officially used on products again in 1952. With authorization from the family, small motorcycles were produced and sold under the Simson name. However, no guns were made after 1969. The production of guns was transferred to the “Ernst Thaelmann Werke”.

After the reunification of Germany, Dr. Ewald Mayer hoped to start up gun making in Suhl again. He even had the support of the second-largest gun company in the US, Sturm Ruger & Co. The project failed, however, not the least because of the questionable behavior of the German government agency set up to encourage native investors. In addition, the facilities left from the DDR era lacked the necessary modern equipment for the production of high-grade hunting guns.


The Simson family was eventually partially compensated for their losses by the German government, but gave up on gun making. However, the name still survives: Recently, the pistol, “Simson Match 1911A1” and its ammunition were products of “Jadg-und-Sportwaffen Suhl”, makers of Merkel guns. And the old factory complex in Suhl-Heinrichs is now (in 2006) the “TLG Gewerbepark Simson GmbH”, an industrial park which is home to 65 businesses. Many of the original buildings have been torn down, but the building which housed the P.08 production still stands. There is a Fahrzeugmuseum on site, which houses a collection of vehicles (mostly two-wheeled) made in the Suhl area, and mainly by Simson. In fact, the Simson motorbikes and motorcycles have a big cult following today, and are highly desirable collectors’ items. Although motorcycle and motorbike production finally ceased in autumn of 2002, a small company currently exists devoted to supplying parts and restoration services to owners of the early Simson vehicles.

sheepherder 11-20-2017 09:24 AM

Thank you for the excerpt, Ed! :thumbup:


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