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pepe 10-16-2017 05:37 PM

Portuguese Navy Luger
 
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can you please give me an opinion about this luger
i think it is a portuguese navy ?
regards
Pepe

Mac Cat 10-16-2017 08:10 PM

I don't think it's Portuguese or Navy.
I think it's a 1906 style (grip safety), flat toggles, Mauser banner (commercial, not military).
No military proof marks, no date.
The side plate looks like a replacement.

(I'm no expert, but that's my thoughts.... did you find an export stamp?)

John Sabato 10-17-2017 09:11 AM

I think the Mauser banner toggle link is a replacement. The rest of the gun appears to be 98 as the last two digits, but these old eyes could be fooling me.

pepe 10-18-2017 05:36 AM

Thank for your information
The gun is for sale in Portugal announced as a navy Luger
regards

sheepherder 10-18-2017 09:55 AM

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On the left side of the chamber, ahead of the serial, is a marking of some sort...I can't make out the whole mark, but it is a lazy [something] over a U...Doesn't look like a crown... :confused:

Ben M. 10-18-2017 12:13 PM

crown crown U. mauser proof. like this.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...SQ9gccwukeelS-

Lugerdoc 10-19-2017 11:33 AM

The horizonal double crown over U was used on Mauser commerical. police and foreign contract pistols from 1935 until 1940. TH

pepe 10-19-2017 02:06 PM

the gun model with safety gryp is a 1906 isn t it ?

Ben M. 10-20-2017 10:46 PM

model 1906 but made by dwm and mauser much longer into 1940s

Mac Cat 10-20-2017 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by pepe (Post 309481)
the gun model with safety gryp is a 1906 isn t it ?

Pepe, the Luger looks like a commercial model.

They used the 1906 design, with a grip safety, no date code and no stock lug, as the primary design features for commercial lugers.

The Portuguese Navy Lugers had a very visible stamp (see below) on the top of the chamber. The chamber on this gun has nothing or it was removed.

Madcow 10-31-2017 10:22 PM

I have one from the 1937 run. Those do not have the crest, however ther were all 4000 to 4050 serial number as I recall.

pepe 01-07-2018 03:15 PM

Hi
This is what i now found about this luger that i bought
regards
pepe




A Parabellum Mod. 1906, Mauser, Portugal navy 1935, with holster



Detail 



Cal. 9 mm Parabellum, no. 2298v. Matching numbers. Bright bore. Proof mark double crown/U. Unmarked chamber, front toggle link with small Mauser banner. Extractor marked "Carregada", safety "Seguranca". Grip safety. Original bluing with wear marks, partially spotted. Small and operational parts with remnants of yellow. Damaged walnut grip panels, small blemish on the left. Nickel-plated sheet metal magazine with aluminium base, no. 2164. Mauser sent another 80 Parabellums of above version to navy with its GNR delivery.
Comes with strong, black cowhide holster with belt loop, inside flap tool compartment, on the side cleaning rod fixture with holder for drift pin, closing button missing. Stitches and pull strap in good order.
Cf. Hallock/van de Kant, The Mauser Parabellum 1930 - 1946, p. 415 and 424f. where the above weapon is richly illustrated and described. Erlaubnispflichtig

Dick Herman 01-08-2018 01:57 AM

Pepe,
Apparently you have a relatively limited production and documented pistol. Having access to reliable reference sources are extremely valuable.
Enjoy your acquisition.

Mac Cat 01-08-2018 09:08 AM

HA !

Now I agree, too, Pepe !!

I looked it up in the Kant book, too.

Hope you will share more photos - including the holster.


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