Originally Posted by Mac Cat (Post 306840)

Good start on the photos !
Photograph the top and back of the toggle and chamber!

Originally Posted by mrerick (Post 306832)

There are a number of questions I'd have about this Luger.

The crowns stamped on the frame and barrel don't look like what you'd find on a DWM Alphabet Commercial (which I think was Ed's assumption). Usually there is a suffix letter there, not a crown stamp.

The side plate profile looks unusual,

Please photograph the entire pistol left and right, the muzzle from the front and the top toggle train areas.

Is there a marking near your thumb in the last photo?

Is the receiver slightly proud (in front of) the frame in the front of the pistol near the serial number?

Marc

Originally Posted by Mac Cat (Post 306840)

Good start on the photos !
Photograph the top and back of the toggle and chamber!

Originally Posted by DonVoigt (Post 306847)

And please post them on the server here.
One can't enlarge the photos posted on what ever host server you are using.

And eventually the picture links will disappear and this thread will be meaningless.:soapbox:

Originally Posted by DonVoigt (Post 306863)

Your stock lug has been ground or filed down by about 1/2.

Even though use of a stock is not legal with this luger, it reduces its value to that of a shooter only.

The crown on the frame and the lower crown on the barrel are still a puzzle and not "original" to the luger's manufacture.

Originally Posted by 09cs (Post 306864)

Yes, I believe Ed mentioned something of that as well. Something about a lot of people doing it in the 60's out of fear of something.

Originally Posted by 09cs (Post 306867)

I found this, "The crown "N" proof was introduced in 1906 as a derivative of the 1893 Proof Law. For commercial gun intended for public sale it was upright and replaced a plethora of various proof house individual proofs."

http://www.phoenixinvestmentarms.com/1320DWM23.html

Looks similar to the N crown on this one

Originally Posted by DonVoigt (Post 306876)

It is not the crown/n that is the puzzle, they are quite correct and common.

It is the larger crown, alone- stamped on the frame and the lower curve of the barrel. These two crowns appear to have been stamped after finish as they show bare metal in the stamping- at least they do in these pictures. These are the Puzzle.:confused:

Better close ups of those crowns, posted on the server here, would be a help to see them more clearly.

Originally Posted by ithacaartist (Post 306870)

That "something" would be prosecution by the BATFE for owning an unregistered Short-Barreled Rifle" (SBR), risking a ten year prison sentence and/or hefty fine. The Gun Control Act of 1968 was interpreted erroneously by some, and stock lugs were ground off to avoid running afoul of the law. It is actually OK to own a Luger with a stock lug. What is illegal is to own both a Luger NOT originally destined to have one, and a shoulder stock--which is taken as evidence of "constructive intent."

Lugers originally accompanied with a shoulder stock when purchased or issued, including the Navy, Artillery, and Carbine models, can be used with a stock--but only the proper style of original or reproduction stock they would have had when new, e.g Navy gun with Navy stock, Carbine with carbine stock, etc. These are exempted in a list maintained by the BATFE.



Around 1906, production of the "New Model" Parabellum was phased in. A New Model's grip frame is about 0.10" shorter than an Old Model frame. This change in dimension takes place in the area of the chamber of the receiver. One can notice the difference in a glance at the curve on the front, bottom of the grip frame under the barrel, through which the takedown lever is installed. An Old Model will have symmetrical dimensions ahead of and below the hole for the take-down lever. A New Model has an obviously shorter dimension in front of the lever.

Marc's question concerns possible "proudness" or protrusion of the face of the barrel extension beyond the face of the grip frame. This happens when a mix-master is created by assembling a longer, Old Model receiver atop the shorter, New Model grip frame, a situation where that tenth of an inch really shows up! Yours looks OK to me, though.