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Johnny C. Kitchens 04-06-2004 03:41 AM

Original or Krause???
 
Found this image of a .45 Luger. I wonder if it is the real thing or one from Krause, in California, or maybe something else altogether???

http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/a45luger.jpg

Johnny C. Kitchens 04-06-2004 03:45 AM

Meant to add, that several parts look wrong in the picture. The safety and surrounding area, and the side plate looks wrong...

John Sabato 04-06-2004 07:59 AM

Johnny, that is a Krause .45 Luger, I have seen the image before and am sure it is in my Luger photo archive. Anything that looks "wrong" is photo distortion. These guns were built as reverse engineered from the "real" Million Dollar gun...which Krause had access to.

I was wrong!-- it happens! :D -- see Ron Woods comments below

Ron Wood 04-06-2004 11:27 AM

I don't think that is a Krause .45. The proportions are all wrong, much more than would be caused by photographic distortion. My guess is that it is indeed "something else altogether", either a photo composite made up by altering and pasting together different images, or a gun fabricated by someone other than Mike Krause. My instinct is that it is a photo montage, the shadows are not consistent.

http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/45compare.jpg

John Sabato 04-06-2004 12:12 PM

Thanks for the correction Ron... I have found the source and the rest of the photographs... they were submitted by Lugerforum member "Balcar" (from Finland I think?) of a .45 caliber Luger that was hand made by a gunsmith in Europe and who didn't have the advantage of pulling dimensions from the original genuine gun.

Here are the rest of the photos in thumbnail form, click on the thumbnail to see the photo full size:

<a href="http://www.lugerforum.com/images/balcar45luger/balcar1.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://www.lugerforum.com/images/balcar45luger/balcar1.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a>

<a href="http://www.lugerforum.com/images/balcar45luger/balcar2.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://www.lugerforum.com/images/balcar45luger/balcar2.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a>

<a href="http://www.lugerforum.com/images/balcar45luger/balcar3.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://www.lugerforum.com/images/balcar45luger/balcar3.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a>

<a href="http://www.lugerforum.com/images/balcar45luger/balcar4.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://www.lugerforum.com/images/balcar45luger/balcar4.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a>

<a href="http://www.lugerforum.com/images/balcar45luger/balcar5.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://www.lugerforum.com/images/balcar45luger/balcar5.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a>

<a href="http://www.lugerforum.com/images/balcar45luger/balcar6.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://www.lugerforum.com/images/balcar45luger/balcar6.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a>

<a href="http://www.lugerforum.com/images/balcar45luger/balcar1.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://www.lugerforum.com/images/balcar45luger/balcar1.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a>

Edward Tinker 04-06-2004 12:31 PM

Plzen county
Czech Republic

Jan Balcar

John Sabato 04-06-2004 12:49 PM

--The Czech Republic! thanks for refreshing my aging memory Jan Balcar, and thanks again for these photos!

Ron Wood 04-06-2004 02:51 PM

He may not have had the original dimensions to work from, but that is still one heckuva nice job and a beautiful looking Luger. Glad I was wrong about the photo composite.

Edward Tinker 04-06-2004 03:22 PM

John S., hey, I tried to do it discretly, changing your Jan to Ed, since I was the one that posted the info, :D but you changed it back on me <img border="0" alt="[hiha]" title="" src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" />

Ed

John Sabato 04-06-2004 03:27 PM

THANKS ED!... I looked at the info, not the avatar! :D <img border="0" alt="[hiha]" title="" src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[hiha]" title="" src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[bigbye]" title="" src="graemlins/xyxwave.gif" />


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