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Doug G. 07-30-2017 10:12 PM

Cobbling up a mismatch back frame Krieghoff
 
Got this gun years ago with a navy upper and toggle. The toggle is on another gun now. So I am left with a matching frame, but the barrel and toggle do not match. I have two 10" barrels and have always wanted a long barrel shooter. Any reason not to do this? At this point the gun is just parts and nothing more.

http://i.imgur.com/DGg7g8p.jpg

DonVoigt 07-30-2017 11:42 PM

Putting a long barrel on the frame will not alter the frame - so why not.
I'm not sure if the missing/broken piece of the rear frame will prevent its use or not,
I'll have to "study on it".

Do yo still have the navy upper or barrel ? what model?

Doug G. 07-31-2017 01:07 AM

Darn, never noticed that part broken! Well then it's a no go as this is gonna be a shooter. I am gonna have Ted do the blue on the gun. I do have a less ratty 1923 Commercial that is all matching, I guess maybe it will be the donor? The upper is a 1917 I believe will have to dig it out. The toggle I put on another commercial frame that Ted restored with a 6" 30 Luger barrel. I may just use the upper off the back frame and have a gun with 3 different uppers.

Doug G. 07-31-2017 01:12 AM

The side of the navy upper and the Commercial navy that I made.
http://i.imgur.com/nmyAoXe.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/zTR1ylx.jpg

Dwight Gruber 07-31-2017 02:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug G. (Post 306043)
...so I am left with a matching frame...

Could you please report the frame serial number?

--Dwight

Dwight Gruber 07-31-2017 03:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonVoigt (Post 306046)
I'm not sure if the missing/broken piece of the rear frame will prevent its use or not...

According to Sturgess, the purpose of these tabs is to keep foreign material out of the frame. Several of the Basel police Lugers, made in 1916 and sold out of stock in about 1921, have these damaged or missing tabs. Presumably this had no effect on the acceptability or operaton of these pistols.

Why these pistols display this flaw is something I have been pondering for awhile, and now I wonder if this example is related.

--Dwight

DonVoigt 07-31-2017 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dwight Gruber (Post 306052)
According to Sturgess, the purpose of these tabs is to keep foreign material out of the frame. Several of the Basel police Lugers, made in 1916 and sold out of stock in about 1921, have these damaged or missing tabs. Presumably this had no effect on the acceptability or operaton of these pistols.

Why these pistols display this flaw is something I have been pondering for awhile, and now I wonder if this example is related.

--Dwight

Thanks Dwight,:thumbup:
I couldn't see right off that they had a "purpose", but then sometimes the solution or in this case reason- is not obvious!

Lugerdoc 07-31-2017 11:04 AM

Doug, Too bad the this scarce Kreighoff marked frame got damaged and mismatched, as they were among the first (i suffix block) few hundred of DWM's alpha commericals produced in 1923, and marketed by KH. Ideally, if you could find a 1921 dated 7.65 or 9mm C/N commerical top, that's what this frame had originally, even though it would still be a mismatch. TH

Vlim 07-31-2017 11:08 AM

The Swiss and Mauser (post war) left those 2 tabs away all together, as they are pretty much useless anyway :)

sheepherder 07-31-2017 11:50 AM

As long as it's going to be a shooter anyway, I think I would mill/grind off the other ear to match and then get it re-blued. :)

In for a penny, in for a pound. :D

Dwight Gruber 07-31-2017 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sheepherder (Post 306072)
As long as it's going to be a shooter anyway, I think I would mill/grind off the other ear to match and then get it re-blued.

I dunno, it still has some utility toward its original purpose.

Doug, is the tab cut off, or broken off? I am chasing the contention that much of wartime commercial production was based on reject military contract parts. I have to wonder if this frame was made contemporaneously with the Basel police pistols?

--Dwight

Doug G. 07-31-2017 07:08 PM

Tab is broken off, serial number is8319 I.


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