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Genghis Khan 07-16-2017 06:56 PM

Mismatched P08-Anything interesting about it?
 
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I got this one on Auction. The upper is DWM from 1913. Not sure about the lower. It has "Germany" stamped on it in at least 2 spots so I imagine it was an import to the US many years ago.
I posted pics of all markings I could find. Any ID help would be appreciated.
Also, the safety slips from the off safe position easily. I read elsewhere that slightly bending the safety lever so it presses harder against the frame should help. Any insights regarding that? Thanks.

Genghis Khan 07-16-2017 06:58 PM

Some more pics
 
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Additional markings

Edward Tinker 07-16-2017 07:22 PM

So, military 1913 made by DWM that at some poin after the war was export marked by Germany and made it to the USA.

The magazine is a WW2 magazine

Obviously mismatched...

Use 0000 steel wool and oil gently on the active rust

Chickenthief 07-16-2017 07:29 PM

If you pull the top and look at the frame from the rear there is a small pin on the inside left side.
That pin holds the safety lever in place and taps out easily from rear to front (remove left grip first!).
Place the lever in a vise and bend it slightly (easy does it).
Place in frame and tap pin in from the front grip side.

That's what i did to mine and it stays in the position i select now.

Chickenthief 07-16-2017 07:32 PM

Did the Germans mark export guns with "Germany" from git go or did it come to after WWI ?

Ron Wood 07-16-2017 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Chickenthief (Post 305463)
Did the Germans mark export guns with "Germany" from git go or did it come to after WWI ?

From the git go...it was a requirement of the 1890 McKinley Tariff Act. Country of origin was required to be marked on goods to be imported into the United States...not just guns.

Genghis Khan 07-16-2017 08:51 PM

Any idea if the frame is DWM also? And does it look military?

DavidJayUden 07-16-2017 09:41 PM

I'm thinking I'm seeing Erfurt stamps on the lower, which would make it military.
dju

George Anderson 07-16-2017 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Genghis Khan (Post 305467)
Any idea if the frame is DWM also? And does it look military?

The frame is from a later Erfurt pistol.

Genghis Khan 07-17-2017 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by George Anderson (Post 305470)
The frame is from a later Erfurt pistol.

Any way to tell how much later?

Chickenthief 07-17-2017 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron Wood (Post 305466)
From the git go...it was a requirement of the 1890 McKinley Tariff Act. Country of origin was required to be marked on goods to be imported into the United States...not just guns.

It's just that my 1921 DWM is marked "Germany" and i'm pretty sure it never crossed the Atlantic, and has stayed in the old world it's whole life.
So i assumed it was a thing from Versailles regulations at the end of WWI

Sergio Natali 07-17-2017 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Chickenthief (Post 305481)
It's just that my 1921 DWM is marked "Germany" and i'm pretty sure it never crossed the Atlantic, and has stayed in the old world it's whole life.
So i assumed it was a thing from Versailles regulations at the end of WWI

Don't think that the GERMANY mark has anything to do wit the Versailles Treaty unless that gun was supposed to be sold abroad.

DonVoigt 07-17-2017 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Chickenthief (Post 305481)
It's just that my 1921 DWM is marked "Germany" and i'm pretty sure it never crossed the Atlantic, and has stayed in the old world it's whole life.
So i assumed it was a thing from Versailles regulations at the end of WWI

There is no way to know if your pistol was stamped for export and then for some reason not exported and remained in Europe; quite possible as others have reported "Germany" marked examples from Europe.

The requirement for the stamping of "Germany or Made in Germany" predates the Treaty, no question. As they say- don't "assume".:eek:
It exists on luger pistols from 1900 by the hundreds.

DonVoigt 07-17-2017 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Genghis Khan (Post 305477)
Any way to tell how much later?

No; dated Erfurt production ceased in 1918.

Lugerdoc 07-17-2017 12:06 PM

Sir, Your PO8 started life as a WW1 military issue, without any "Germany' marking. After the war, it was sold as surplus to the American market and probably "country of origin" marked by Stoeger or who ever was the importer. TH PS" Probably marked before 1923, when the US law was changed to also require "made in xxxx".

Genghis Khan 07-27-2017 10:49 PM

Just an update.

I soaked it in Kroil, degreased it, scrubbed off the rust with 0000 steel wool and oiled it. The play in the safety is much less, the gun looks great with a nice patina and it shoots quite nicely.
I got a couple aftermarket mags and all work great.
I am going to keep my eyes open for another shooter. They are addictive.


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