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Major Tom 04-28-2017 10:57 AM

Gortz and Sturgess book
 
Is $225 for a like new, 3 volume set in slip cover a good buy?
I know this is a great book set. I don'y know if it's the 'green' or 'red' version.
Thanks

gunnertwo 04-28-2017 11:15 AM

I paid around $300 for the first edition, close to that for the second. I'd say yes. They aren't making more...

G2

mrerick 04-28-2017 11:39 AM

My preference is for the "Red" edition. It's the book that Sturgess wanted in the first place.

Simpson Ltd. published it at $300, and should have copies available new with the PDF copy and DVD.

In my opinion, it's worth every penny if you're interested in the history of the Luger.

Edward Tinker 04-28-2017 11:43 AM

FIND OUT IF green or red version - I had both and Red is much better.

DonVoigt 04-28-2017 02:29 PM

You won't likely find one as cheap or cheaper- anywhere.
Green or red- really doesn't matter; except when someone references a page and does not say "green" or "red".

Both have an index.

Either will give you "tons" of info and hours of entertainment.

spacecoast 04-28-2017 02:56 PM

I have the green set on paper and the red set on DVD (a large PDF which is also copied to several computers). I use both as sometimes it's easier to just pull out the book and go to a bookmarked page, but the DVD is nice for searching for terms or for taking a screen shot to post some info. My understanding is that the green set has better pictures and I believe it's also less expensive (something like what you are quoting).

Also, the red set is a year or two newer and does have some info and deductions/conclusions not included in the green set.

Sky Zero 04-28-2017 04:40 PM

is this book THE book for luger history?

Mac Cat 04-28-2017 05:13 PM

It's one of the best.

The RED book set includes the DVD.

The two have nearly identical content, otherwise, just in a different presentation order.

I have both sets and I paid $300 for each set.

The usually on Amazon.com, but I found my set at Collector's Firearms in Houston.

They are on on the web site, but they have a pretty large library.

Both book sets come in aa cardboard book stand. It weighs about 20 lbs.

spacecoast 05-04-2017 08:46 AM

The green set is on Amazon for $225 + $4 shipping

Edward Tinker 05-04-2017 01:07 PM

In my opinion, the red set was the one and style that Sturgess wanted - read the disclaimer in the green set.

From what i understand and read in the Canadian produced book, the editor threw in lots of little comments to make it more readable, but I found it distracting. Also, the order of things seemed to jump around.

I like Sturgess and Gortz (remember this was originally an expanded PO8 book of Gortz IMHO) but there are issues I find wrong. Every book has errors or the way that person believes. These might sound like slams, but its the book I grab (via DVD) many times or if police, ours or Don's for markings, Mauser Parabellum for Mausers, and then Jan's books are good for filling in almost everything else.

a few comments on the red/green books
1. As usual Sturgess uses almost all his own guns he owned at the time - which I understand but can sway you a bit in conclusions.
2. He has some slightly inaccurate info on Simson's, but that is because he must not have looked at the book - :(
3. He really likes to focus on early prototypes, which is good, but I feel he puts in far too much time and chapters in it instead of further work on just basic PO8, LPO8, etc. Great for early info, but you have to dig for more basic information - but that is just my feeling.

Ed

Vlim 05-04-2017 03:00 PM

The red set has a few errors ironed out. It is a bit better on Swiss lugers. I wonder why? ;)


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