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1906 Luger System Rifle
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This may have been discussed before or is known to some of the members. Im sure that many of the members have never heard of it. The M1906 German Army Luger System test rifle in 7.92mm with a 5 shot internal magazine that is loaded with stripper clips. Less than 10 were produced but were not adopted due to feeding problems. Just 2 are known to survive. The lever on the receiver tang activates a take down that releases the trigger guard. I would like to credit Vern Bryant of GDC for the photos and description.
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Fascinating! 7.92 (8mm Mauser) seems like a lot of pressure against that toggle joint, but I'm sure that they thought of that at the time...
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Very interesting. I've seen pics of the toggle system on a rifle, but that one flexed horizontally, on the right side. This prototype is somehow more satisfying...
Feeding problems? Who'd have thought!:D |
Hey now... Maxim had the toggle mechanism working in a machine gun!
We know that Mauser worked on several different approaches for a semi-automatic high power rifle for Germany. He never really succeeded. Some of the designs included toggle based mechanisms. Since Georg Luger didn't mind stealing other people's ideas (including filing a patent on Mauser's 3 lug bolt system in Luger's own name) Mauser and others didn't mind appropriating the basic systems approaches used by others. Many of the Mauser designs required greased cartridges, which the military found unacceptable. The problem was extraction, and they were not yet experimenting with fluted cartridge chambers to cope with the issue... |
Maxim or was it Vickers that used the toggle?
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The 276 Pedersen used a toggle. An aquaintance has one locally. Neat rifle. I found a box of ammo at a gunshow one day, bought it and gave it to him. I'd like to make some shooter ammo for it and give it a run of 20 or so rounds.
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That's a beautiful rifle. Pity they didn't put more effort into it.
John Browning made a prototype toggle action shot gun |
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http://weaponsman.com/?p=10478 Apart from making the Luger much more compact, simpler and balanced than the C-93 Borchardt, Georg Luger's body of work occupied as much observation as innovation. The upcoming publication of Mauser's personal archive documents has an interesting section on Luger and Mauser's relationships. |
That must have been a bear to c*ck, especially with mittens on in cold weather!
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The extractor is still at the top of the breechblock. Even though the Luger ejector is on the side, my Lugers still eject straight up & back. I guess Georg was still working on that. :rolleyes: |
Thats a nice looking rifle. I'll take one please
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I always wanted a Furrer rifle, but being very rare, undoubtedly super expensive and full automatic makes that impossible. :crying:
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At least I have a MP 41/44, a Furrer construction as well. Not really a sucsessfull SMG, but a nice one... Alexander |
Ah... Ron... at last... a gun designed for the Left Handed shooter!!!!!
Those of you right handed shooters firing this one would get some of the experience we Left Handers have when firing an AR... Brass flying across your nose bridge... Marc |
Heck, if you want brass to fly out the left side, just shoot a P-38. Never could figure out why they made them eject out the left....
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One thing I like about shooting our Lugers is the vertical ejection... Marc |
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