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DonS 11-01-2016 02:17 PM

1906 Luger System Rifle
 
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This may have been discussed before or is known to some of the members. Im sure that many of the members have never heard of it. The M1906 German Army Luger System test rifle in 7.92mm with a 5 shot internal magazine that is loaded with stripper clips. Less than 10 were produced but were not adopted due to feeding problems. Just 2 are known to survive. The lever on the receiver tang activates a take down that releases the trigger guard. I would like to credit Vern Bryant of GDC for the photos and description.

DavidJayUden 11-01-2016 02:50 PM

Fascinating! 7.92 (8mm Mauser) seems like a lot of pressure against that toggle joint, but I'm sure that they thought of that at the time...

ithacaartist 11-01-2016 05:01 PM

Very interesting. I've seen pics of the toggle system on a rifle, but that one flexed horizontally, on the right side. This prototype is somehow more satisfying...

Feeding problems? Who'd have thought!:D

mrerick 11-01-2016 05:29 PM

Hey now... Maxim had the toggle mechanism working in a machine gun!

We know that Mauser worked on several different approaches for a semi-automatic high power rifle for Germany. He never really succeeded.

Some of the designs included toggle based mechanisms. Since Georg Luger didn't mind stealing other people's ideas (including filing a patent on Mauser's 3 lug bolt system in Luger's own name) Mauser and others didn't mind appropriating the basic systems approaches used by others.

Many of the Mauser designs required greased cartridges, which the military found unacceptable. The problem was extraction, and they were not yet experimenting with fluted cartridge chambers to cope with the issue...

DavidJayUden 11-01-2016 08:02 PM

Maxim or was it Vickers that used the toggle?
dju

Dwight Gruber 11-01-2016 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ithacaartist (Post 295112)
Very interesting. I've seen pics of the toggle system on a rifle, but that one flexed horizontally, on the right side.

The horizontal action weapon was a SMG.

--Dwight

gunbugs 11-01-2016 09:12 PM

The 276 Pedersen used a toggle. An aquaintance has one locally. Neat rifle. I found a box of ammo at a gunshow one day, bought it and gave it to him. I'd like to make some shooter ammo for it and give it a run of 20 or so rounds.

rolandtg 11-01-2016 11:05 PM

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That's a beautiful rifle. Pity they didn't put more effort into it.

John Browning made a prototype toggle action shot gun

mrerick 11-02-2016 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by DavidJayUden (Post 295118)
Maxim or was it Vickers that used the toggle?
dju

Maxim, Browning, Pederson, Vickers all had toggle lock based firearms. It wasn't a new idea, but wasn't particularly successful in handguns until Luger's refinements to the stubborn Mr. Borchardt's design.

http://weaponsman.com/?p=10478

Apart from making the Luger much more compact, simpler and balanced than the C-93 Borchardt, Georg Luger's body of work occupied as much observation as innovation.

The upcoming publication of Mauser's personal archive documents has an interesting section on Luger and Mauser's relationships.

alanint 11-02-2016 11:00 AM

That must have been a bear to c*ck, especially with mittens on in cold weather!

sheepherder 11-02-2016 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by alanint (Post 295134)
That must have been a bear to c*ck, especially with mittens on in cold weather!

I'd be more concerned with a hot 7.92mm case smacking me in the forehead. :D

The extractor is still at the top of the breechblock. Even though the Luger ejector is on the side, my Lugers still eject straight up & back. I guess Georg was still working on that. :rolleyes:

Edward Tinker 11-02-2016 02:18 PM

Thats a nice looking rifle. I'll take one please


Ed

Stucki 11-02-2016 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Dwight Gruber (Post 295119)
The horizontal action weapon was a SMG.

--Dwight

Adolf Furrer, engineer and director of the Waffenfabrik Bern 1921-1940, used the toggle system for a lot of different guns, from SMG to 34mm AAA. It seems that it was some kind of "one fits all"-system for him... :)

Alexander

Ron Wood 11-02-2016 03:13 PM

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I always wanted a Furrer rifle, but being very rare, undoubtedly super expensive and full automatic makes that impossible. :crying:

Stucki 11-02-2016 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron Wood (Post 295144)
I always wanted a Furrer rifle

So do I... :) - less than 100 were produced and very few survived.

At least I have a MP 41/44, a Furrer construction as well. Not really a sucsessfull SMG, but a nice one...

Alexander

mrerick 11-02-2016 07:34 PM

Ah... Ron... at last... a gun designed for the Left Handed shooter!!!!!

Those of you right handed shooters firing this one would get some of the experience we Left Handers have when firing an AR... Brass flying across your nose bridge...

Marc

gunbugs 11-02-2016 10:11 PM

Heck, if you want brass to fly out the left side, just shoot a P-38. Never could figure out why they made them eject out the left....

mrerick 11-02-2016 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by gunbugs (Post 295163)
Heck, if you want brass to fly out the left side, just shoot a P-38. Never could figure out why they made them eject out the left....

Good taste?

One thing I like about shooting our Lugers is the vertical ejection...

Marc


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