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sheepherder 09-04-2016 02:06 PM

Adventures in Lawn Mowing
 
(A little bit of Labor day holiday humor) ;)

Members might recall a 'humorous' thread I posted back in July 2012 with this short video of my IH Cadet Cub/Kohler 7hp lawn mower engine...I asked "What is wrong with this picture???"... :D

http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...t=100_5955.mp4

I had been mowing my lawn when the engine suddenly started making a clanking noise and then died...

This was the damage... :crying:

http://forum.lugerforum.com/attachme...3&d=1473011096

http://forum.lugerforum.com/attachme...4&d=1473011096

Broke right at the oil ring groove.

I tried to fit a new piston, but the bore was too worn...It only ran long enough to let me finish that days mowing... :(

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Fast forward to September 2016...

I was able to find a short block engine on eBay and replaced the entire engine with new gaskets. That engine didn't last long either, no power, so another engine from eBay was procured...that one lasted me up until two days ago...When it started losing power and would not cut grass without stalling out the engine. I could feel 'blowby' coming from the front of the head gasket, so I pulled the head and found this... :eek:

http://forum.lugerforum.com/attachme...5&d=1473011096

Understand, this is a 51 year old lawn mower [made in 1965, while I was still in 10th grade] that is on its fourth used engine. It actually still ran with this blown gasket and I drove it about 200 feet to my back porch to work on it.

I've lapped the aluminum head flat & smooth now, and de-coked the barrel, so when I get a new head gasket Tuesday I should be good to go. :thumbup:

(Every year, I keep telling myself, "If it doesn't run this year, I'll buy a new mower"...But it keeps on runnin'...) :grr:

Just wanted to let you guys know that they built them tough in the old days...Not like today's disposable lawn mowers. :p

http://forum.lugerforum.com/attachme...6&d=1473012386

sheepherder 09-04-2016 02:39 PM

Does that video show up??? PhotoBucket shows it as an .MP4 file but I have it as an .AVI... :(

I can't bring it up here either; it keeps showing my .357/.44 wildcat cartridge conversion .JPG's... :soapbox:

It's 3.6MB so I can't upload it here, but I thought it was hysterically funny...Pocketa pocketa pocketa... :D

DonVoigt 09-04-2016 02:49 PM

I'd recommend checking the oil occasionally and re-torque the head gasket after a few hours!

You should get another 30 years out of it!

sheepherder 09-04-2016 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DonVoigt (Post 293183)
I'd recommend checking the oil occasionally and re-torque the head gasket after a few hours!

I check oil every time I mow. It usually takes a couple ounces.

I had thought of re-torquing after running...But do you re-torque cold or hot??? I can't find anything on torquing the head except the torque value itself...I have the service manual... :confused:

I bought a new head maybe 15 years ago. There was a new style; different fin placement; studs instead of two of the bolts. It gives torque values and sequence but that's about all. :grr:

Sonofeugene 09-04-2016 03:46 PM

Retorque cold.

sheepherder 09-04-2016 05:54 PM

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I can't tell if that .MP4 video works or not; I tried to make an animated .GIF out of it, but the forum only allows 195kb .GIFs... :mad:

I know the forum allowed the .AVI I had on PB. I don't know which changed, PB or the forum, but the video no longer appears in the post... :grr:

Too bad, it was pretty funny...A member said it sounded just like their old ship engine...Pocketa pocketa pocketa... :D

Keep your eye on the piston... :p

Mac Cat 09-04-2016 08:47 PM

hole in the center ?

sheepherder 09-04-2016 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mac Cat (Post 293200)
hole in the center ?

No - It's the same engine in the first two pics...I'm turning it over with the starter...The piston isn't moving... :roflmao:

Eugen 09-04-2016 09:05 PM

Uh, me thinks its time for a new mower. :biggulp:

sheepherder 09-04-2016 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Eugen (Post 293203)
Uh, me thinks its time for a new mower. :biggulp:

Let me think...$8 for a new head gasket, or ~$2500 for a comparable new mower??? I'm gonna have to think on that... :rolleyes:

This will be the last mow of the year. I average 4 mows per year. There was no Spring this year, and Summer only lasted from the second week of June until this weekend...I may not last until next June...

Back in 2012 I really wanted one of those zero-turn tiller-steer mowers...The Cadet Cub/John Deere mowers were too big, but I passed a nice little mower on the way home from work one day that was 'just right'...It was orange, I don't know what make that is, and because this mower of mine keeps starting I haven't started shopping...Yet... :)

MikeP 09-09-2016 01:42 AM

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Messing with that old stuff will drive you nuts and waste your life.
Been doing it a long time.

Just traded for a John Deere 850.
Big relief.

John Sabato 09-09-2016 09:06 AM

Mike, some of old folks think that "messing with that old stuff" GIVES you life... especially if you have a passion for those old things. (Think Lugers!)... another example is my 1983 BMW R100 motorcycle with sidecar...

sheepherder 09-09-2016 11:10 AM

It lives !
 
The mighty five horsepower, air cooled, gasoline fueled, side valve, single cylinder, four stroke, centrifugally governed, cast iron barreled, aluminum headed engine roared back to life!!! :D

And I was able to finish mowing my modest little lot, hopefully for the last time this year. :cheers:

As stated, I used my 'product improved' cylinder head, sanded/lapped smooth and straight (over 1200 strokes on 220 grit wet-or-dry) and the 'new' style head gasket. I also switched from the stock seven head bolts (five bolts & two studs with the 'product improved' head) to seven studs and SAE flanged nuts w/stock [thick] washers (called "worshers" in some states) :p and re-torqued after running for a short time.

I checked with the old timer who ran the Cadet Cub repair shop and after confirming I had the 'old style' 5hp Kohler engine, recommended torquing to spec and then running "for about an hour" and then letting it cool and re-torque it. The gas tank mounts right over the head so I had to jig-rig a 2x4 and bungee cords to hold the tank away from the head so I could see if it came loose or some other malfunction. I was surprised that the cooled head took about a half turn to each nut to re-torque.

So now it's done and we'll see next Spring if it starts and I mow again or buy a new mower. I'm sort of hoping it won't so I can buy one of the orange compact zero-turn tiller-steer mowers that my neighbors seem to have so much fun with. ;)

Either that, or stuff a 4-cylinder 1974 Honda motorcycle engine in the Cadet and see how long that lasts. :cheers:

MikeP 09-09-2016 04:41 PM

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I have tinkered with old outdated stuff all my life.
I have gotten to the point here I hardly will turn a screw.
Too many busted knuckles and dealing with shops and others who have a hard time "getting it right."
That said, I am presently doing a frame up restoration of a 1965 Panhead with sidecar from my old age.
Here is another Panhead I rode and maintained for most of 35 years.

I got a 03 Roadglide which is pretty much maintenance free, but has no soul.

Mike B 09-09-2016 05:33 PM

Hey John,
How much your BMW? I think I need that in my life. How about a Party Leader PPK?

Mike

John Sabato 09-09-2016 10:12 PM

Mike if you are serious about the BMW I will let you know when I am satisfied with tuning the engine and balancing the two 40mm Bing carbs and We can talk about values and trades. ��

The bike is in amazing shape for its age. It was fun riding it 275 miles home from NY.

PM me if you want to know more.

rolandtg 09-09-2016 10:46 PM

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That mower is awesome! I'd keep it going as long as you can get parts.

Speaking of bikes, I'm finishing up a restoration of a '76 Yamaha XS650.

sheepherder 09-09-2016 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by rolandtg (Post 293369)
Speaking of bikes, I'm finishing up a restoration of a '76 Yamaha XS650.

I'm still 'finishing up' a 1972 Honda 500-Four. I had bought one brand new back in '72, but had transmission problems [lockups] that the dealer refused to fix, so I sold it. I've always felt I had unfinished business with it, so I gathered several CB550's and an original 500-Four without the trans problems and have been slowly 'restoring' that ever since 2004. It's sitting in my living room. Kind of a reminder. ;)

In the meantime, if I feel I really have to ride, I have the '72 CL450 Scrambler. They're not as old as the lawn mower, but they're gettin' there... :D

rolandtg 09-10-2016 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by sheepherder (Post 293370)
In the meantime, if I feel I really have to ride, I have the '72 CL450 Scrambler. They're not as old as the lawn mower, but they're gettin' there... :D

I've got a '71 CL350 waiting its turn to be revived.
I've got a 550 to do first after the XS650.

alanint 09-10-2016 11:48 AM

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I restored a 1978 Kawasaki Z1-R not long ago, after I had owned one new in Mexico in the late 70s. It was only produced two years, (78,80) and the 80 had drastic changes over the 78, so parts were a nightmare.

I got stupid money for her, but I regret selling her now. I had three of them at once during the restoration, but two were modified beyond a resto and so were used for small parts, then sold.

A true classic that offered many industry "firsts". I miss riding this bike, although it represents that era where engine technology far outstripped frame and brakes, so she could be a handful to ride.


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