Need information on this Luger
 

I'm new to Lugers and got my first one a few days ago :D. I've been reading quite a lot on the web an on the forum here, but cannot draw any conclusion for know. I'm a bit puzzled and hope someone will be able to help by providing more information on my gun. Any info is very much appreciated.


The Frame is marked L. Kg on the grip, which probably means : Landjägerei Königsberg.


Upper parts marked : Mauser 42 / 1940. Waffenamt 655 markings, eagle with swastika punched out !


No VOPO marks. Haven't seen any Russian capture X, except for the X on one of the grips.


Grips seem to be different one from another, one is blacker, the other one is redder.


The frame probably comes from the Weimar era, while the upper parts are all ww2.
Upper and lower parts don't seem to match.


Question : when and where could this gun have been assembled like this ?

High resolution pictures are here : https://app.sugarsync.com/iris/wf/D8...5260933_902686


Thank you very much for your help,


christopher

Welcome to the forum, Xtian,

I think it could have been assembled in somebody's garage, probably anytime after WWII. To the best of my Knowledge, reworks by any governmental/military program or process do not end up like this. It's apparently a parts gun. The frame, at the very least, has been re-blued over pits and other damage, including its interior--which would have been in the white if properly rust blued. I think someone may have gotten lucky going through one of those famous barrels of parts and fished out some matching numbers. There's most of an "X" on the trigger guard..? We hope you paid shooter grade price for it! Unless the bore is complete toast, it should make a great shooter.

Hello thank you for your reply, actually it's not an X it's clearly a Y. The barrel is actually in good condition.

Christopher, welcome to the forum!

I lean more towards that most parts were either matched (very obvious '7' there) or perhaps frame was in worse shape and they swapped parts. As it is unlikely that that police unit marking would be on a 1940/42 (very unlikely)

:)

Ed

Well, there would be NO reason to put a 'Y' in that location, it is much too low and much too big to be a suffix.

I'd say its a partial 'X" also :cheers:

Also very unlikely for a '40/42 without the Mauser hump!


Heh. I almost wrote "most of an X"

christopher08

First off welcome to this Luger forum.

I'm not an expert but with all the respect to me it looks a bit like a mixmaster, some sort of parts gun assembled sometime after the last War.

Best.

Picture #29 of 33 shows a proper sized suffix in the proper location, also eliminating the partial X as a suffix. I *think* it is an "i" which could be correct for a 1940 Mauser, but the angle and glare is to bad to be certain. From what can be see, the size and style seem to match the 1940 "i" as shown in Hallock & vande Kant's book (Appendix B, page 654).

There is odd battering to the frame under the takedown lever as well as the bottom of the side plate.

I can't think of any explanation for this, unless somebody removed a VoPo or other mark mark from the frame at that location.

Got the following informations on another forum :

All together makes sense somehow:banghead:, reworked VOPO Luger, assembled from different parts immediately after WWII, scratched VOPO marks when the gun was sold.

1) It appears that the serial number suffix on the front of the frame is "t" which indicates it is what is known as a 29 DWM, produced by BKIW in about 1929. It almost certainly is one of the P08s manufactured and issued to the Prussian Landjägerei in 1929-30. The frame is drilled for a Walther magazine safety and it appears that the slot cut in the frame for this device was nicely filled in when it was removed in 1937. Certainly, the left grip panel is a replacement or else it would have had the upper left corner removed to accommodate this device.

2) On the place concerning your Luger normaly was the star with a number from the Volkspolizei from the former GDR located...
There was the regulation in the GDR that these marks have to be scratched out when selling...
I think your Luger has the upper part from a so called Vopo-Luger, a reworked Luger from the East-German Police immediately after WWII...