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first , my name is chris. I am new to this forum and know very little about lugers besides they are cool and some are valuble.

that said,I have an old luger that was passed down to me from my great grandfather. I was wondering if anyone could help me figure out how old it is ,where(and when) manufactured and ballpark worth, for insurance reasons.

it is a 7.65 DWM IT HAS CROWN N MARKINGS. also has wooden rifle stock that goes with it. all parts appear to match up but I believe holster has been replaced at some point.

has not been fired in over 30 years but worked when last used, so believe it still should. it is a bit worn looking but for its age I would say very good shape.
any help would be apriciated

thanks for answering.
barrel is 3". yes, buttstock that slips into grip and yes it is wood. hopefully figure out how to get pics soon. working on it.

With a short barrel and a stock the luger combination is ILLEGAL.

It becomes a short barreled rifle and a free trip to club Fed or fine or confiscation or both.

You need to read some posts on the Navy and Artillery lugers(and carbines), as these are legal with stocks.

Don't connect the two and post pictures of each separately.

pictures please and welcome to the forum

see if this works

[QUOTE=DonVoigt;282333]With a short barrel and a stock the luger combination is ILLEGAL.

It becomes a short barreled rifle and a free trip to club Fed or fine or confiscation or both.

You need to read some posts on the Navy and Artillery lugers(and carbines), as these are legal with stocks.



thanks for that. I was not aware. I will keep them seperate.

Or, register with BATF. Then, attaching stock is OK. Unlike machine gun, short barrel rifle can still be registered. There is a fee though.

I was looking at some of the buttstocks on other threads mine is nowhere near as nice as some of those.I see where some of them ,the pistol will store inside the butt. the one I have is only about an inch thick.

so I was curious as to wether it was a bad idea to post pics of the butt on this thread, so long as I keep the seperate, would it be O.K.

Since you already said you "have" it, I don't see why not.

You can at least find out what it is.

It is better to store the stock at a different location from the luger; if in two different locations,
there is no "constructive" intent. Lawyer words for you may not get in trouble!:eek:

that was my thought also , so here it is

OK, it is an Artillery Luger stock. If you can photo the numbers and markings someone can tell you if it is original, but I seriously doubt that it is.
I'd keep them far apart, and don't photo them together.
The Luger looks very nice too, by the way...
dju

o.k. so this is only marking on buttstock

holster is in bad shape but you can see a number, not sure if it is 30 or 80 and then an L.

serial is 7913 and has 13 on various parts
germany
i


under the germany on the barrel I think the symbol is an i

holster

Hi Chris, Welcome to the forum! Take another look at the stock, see if it has a crown/gothic letter stamp about half way up on the left side, like the one shown in the photo. If it does then it's an authentic Artillery Luger stock and might be worth almost as much as the gun.
Regards, Norm

nope, no such mark.

out of curiousity ,how long does barrel have to be for buttstock to be legal?

RESEARCHER ASKED ABOVE:
"out of curiousity ,how long does barrel have to be for buttstock to be legal?"
I ANSWERED THIS QUESTION - AND ONLY THIS QUESTION:

The pistol has to be an original Navy or Artillery luger.
The stock has to be an original or exact duplicate.

Navy stocks cannot be attached to Artillery lugers; nor vice - versa.
Navy stocks are slightly shorter, and a little different shape than an Artillery stock.

A pistol with a minimum 16.1" barrel would be ok with a stock, as the barrel length would remove it from the "short" barrel category.

The numbered iron on your stock would tend to identify it as an original artillery stock, more/better focused pictures of each side , with a ruler in the picture would help. The stock itself has good value if original, more if marked with the crown/s as shown. It may be very faint on the back side.

I believe the holster in your picture is commercial, and not in great shape, so likely not too much value there.

The pistol does look to be in good shape, a 1920 commercial type, produced and marked for export likely to the US in the early 1920's.
The .30 cal and commercial lugers are not as appealing to most collectors and not valued as highly as a 9mm or military type.

I DON'T APPRECIATE YOUR MIS READING AND THEN SAYING i TOLD YOU THAT YOUR PISTOL WAS EITHER A NAVY OR ARTILLERY,
I DID NOT, RE-READ ABOVE.:soapbox:

iF YOU WOULD KEEP ALL YOUR QUESTIONS IN ONE POST IT WOULD HELP YOU AND EVERYONE ELSE!!!:typing:

ok . so I posted on the navy threads and got this response. lol. back to square one.


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It is neither an artillery or navy. It is a 1920 "Alphabet" Commercial, so-called because the "i" is actually part of the serial number (i.e. the serial number of your gun is 7913i). In post-war commercial production the method of serial numbering the commercial guns was changed from the previous 5-digit format to the military style 4-digits and a lower case alphabet character. The Crown over N proof indicates that it is commercial rather than military. It is .30 caliber (7.65mm Parabellum) rather than 9mm. As you have been told in the other thread, the stock is of the artillery configuration and must not be attached to this gun as that is illegal under BATFE rules.
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ok that helps. was told on other thread it was navy or artillery. how would one find out the age, where it was made , ball park worth? could anyone recommend a source to find such things out?

The stock could have considerable value..let's take a look?