Hi John, Welcome to the forum! You have a rather rare and collectible "DWM 1st Issue", made in 1909. It's too bad about that added name because it seriously detracts from what would otherwise have been a valuable gun, particularly with that matching magazine!
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Welcome, nice piece.
But could you please just use the picture host of the forum? Your pictures are too small and when expanded are "squished"; and they will likely eventually disappear. Do some looking at these two sites for high retail values: Simpsons Legacy just put them in your search engine |
This looks like a candidate for a bit of restoration on the frame.
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Fixed the pics. Been a very long time since I used forum discussion boards!
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Nice gun, as-is. Leave it alone.
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A Ist issue with a matching mag is rare. In the condition it is in I would at least check with Thor about fixing the grip. I am not much on restorations but this one I might have the grip only worked on. The holster is a WW1 German military holster. This I would send to Jerry Burney (lugerholsterrepair) for some work on the belt loops etc. Is there a manufacturer and or date inside the lid? Very nice luger. Bill
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I don't think I would remove the F. Brahe. but I think I would get that spot rust blued. Depending on several things..as far as value goes..I might be very happy to pay $1500. Condition is a factor here. I bought one of these a year ago..no matching mag and I paid $2800 but it's almost original mint. Easy 98% if not better pistol. Matching mag adds a lot but the F. Brahe. detracts a lot. With that evening out..scratches and loss of straw I think $1500 would be a comfortable figure if you are trying to buy it.
The holster could be improved upon with belt loops...There is a broken magazine in the mag pouch..what does it look like? |
Excellent pistol, I would not do anything to it. It seems that the name F. Brahe. was put in place after a unit mark was removed. There is no record of an officer with that name in the Prussian Army in 1914. The pistol has a hold-open added so it was not issued to a Bavarian or Wurttemberg unit. The name may appear in a post war listing or with German Graves Registration. I will look later on.
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It's interesting that the font of the name is similar to the font we see used for unit markings. Coincidence? I think not...
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Wow! I thought that provenance was a large part of collectible interest. It appears to me that some suggestions were to do away with part of that on this Luger???
Just my 3 Deutsche Marks Thanks Jack |
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Spot rust blue can be done. I agree that the name looks as done by period stamping. I'd leave it alone, and ponder the spot touch up depending on how it looked when in my hands. |
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Spot rust blue can be done. I agree that the name looks as done by period stamping. I'd leave it alone, and ponder the spot touch up depending on how it looked when in my hands. |
There's provenance and then there's damage you may want to consider fixing. Spot replacing the rust blue that's missing is certainly one consideration. If it were mine I think I would do it. Nice and rare pistol..deserves to be fixed..but that's just me.
Like Bill..I don't like buffed and re blued guns. But I have had Charles Danner spot rust blue a couple of bad places over the years and you can't tell it's been done. If you can fix an ugly spot and can't tell..like I say, it's worth considering. |
In my opinon vintage LUGERS should NEVER be refinished or modified because it ruins any value they had as a collectible firearm, then to each his own.
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The top of the belt loops seem to have been broke and someone just stitched them back on without the turned over portion. I cannot discern any markings inside the holster flap. There are no other markings on the outside of the holster.
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Here's a pic of the magazine in the holster: http://forum.lugerforum.com/picture....pictureid=3391
Serial numbers do not match the pistol. |
Sometimes there is maker and year info. embossed (stamped) into the leather on the inside or outside that is very difficult to see.
dju |
I can redo the grip strap with rust bluing. Nice Luger otherwise
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hi,
What is the mark at barrel? Never seen that before.. |
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