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Arizona Slim 11-17-2015 04:14 PM

Interesing Shooter
 
If only this one had Artillery rear sights installed it could make a very good shooter, opinions?

Lon

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=523255808

P08Leder 11-17-2015 05:49 PM

Since it is chambered in 41 Action Express
which is obsolete and unavailable
I would not consider it a shooter.
Not sure what I would call it.....
But I would not take it home for the $1200 opening bid

Arizona Slim 11-17-2015 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by P08Leder (Post 280038)
Since it is chambered in 41 Action Express
which is obsolete and unavailable
I would not consider it a shooter.
Not sure what I would call it.....
But I would not take it home for the $1200 opening bid



Obsolete, yes, unavailable, not correct, but expensive I was told that .41 Action Express ammo is available at www.reedsammo.com it sells for $84.00 per box of 50 . And brass occasionally turns up on Gunbroker.com and other web sites. A little rich for my blood but in my estimation would still be fun to shoot.

Lon

P08Leder 11-17-2015 06:50 PM

Well, you looked deeper than I did
There isn't even a parent cartridge to readily form 41AE from
May be fun to shoot on your dime

Zorba 11-17-2015 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Arizona Slim (Post 280040)
...$84.00 per box of 50...

:eek::eek::eek:

And I thought Nambu ammo was expensive!

Edward Tinker 11-17-2015 09:45 PM

I think its pretty cool, although I don't remember hearing of this cartridge. What I wonder is the rear diameter of the cartridge? Because if bigger than 9mm, then the toggle / breachblock would have to have been adapted?

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The .41 Action Express is a pistol cartridge developed in 1986 to reproduce the performance of the .41 Magnum police load (which is a weaker-than-standard load) in semi-automatic pistols.

History

The .41 Action Express was designed by Evan Whildin, vice president of Action Arms, in 1986.[3] It was based on the .41 Magnum case, cut down to fit in a 9mmP frame, and using a rebated rim. Performance was compared to the ballistics of the 41 Magnum police load.[2] The .41 AE was thought to be a very attractive concept, as the rebated rim allows a simple change of barrel, mainspring, and magazine to convert many 9mm guns to 41 AE.
Ed

DonVoigt 11-17-2015 10:14 PM

CRAZY?:eek:

WE worry about firing Nato 9mm Parabellum in a Luger; does someone think this will hold together with this cartridge?:confused:

If so, we are nuts to worry about any 9mm P or +P loading. JMHO.

sheepherder 11-17-2015 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward Tinker (Post 280053)
I think its pretty cool, although I don't remember hearing of this cartridge. What I wonder is the rear diameter of the cartridge? Because if bigger than 9mm, then the toggle / breachblock would have to have been adapted?Ed

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The .41 AE was thought to be a very attractive concept, as the rebated rim allows a simple change of barrel, mainspring, and magazine to convert many 9mm guns to 41 AE.
No, the 41 AE has the 9mm head (on the 10mm case?). I had a pic of it here a minute ago...Don't know the ballistic specs on it, but I have to wonder at the statement about using 9mm magazines...Maybe in a double stack mag, where the larger diameter cartridge body would not affect the magazine size???

I would think that a design like the P08, that is already straining at its design limit with the 9mm Parabellum cartridge, would be right on the edge of catastrophic failure with anything more powerful... :p

kurusu 11-18-2015 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by sheepherder (Post 280055)
I would think that a design like the P08, that is already straining at its design limit with the 9mm Parabellum cartridge, would be right on the edge of catastrophic failure with anything more powerful... :p

The p08 design is not really at it's limits with the 9mm Parabellum (Every p08 was tested with 10 rounds with a 70% overload). They are only rather old. Catastrophic failures are most likely related to metal fatigue and/or improper reloads (it's really easy to make dangerous reloads in 9mm if you use a fast powder)

Everything is subject to breakage under use. The only problem with that is that the broken parts will be numbered in what is now a rather collectible firearm.

Aside that I also don't think that a P08 chambered for .41 AE is such a great idea.

rhuff 11-18-2015 02:29 PM

It is definitely an interesting concept. As to how, and how long it will function, one can not say at this point. If it had been produced/developed on one of the modern steel Luger reproductions, then perhaps it would be a real shooter. I, like the OP, would like to give it a try, just for S&Gs. One could really develop some velocity from that bbl. length.


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