Question on Swiss?
 

Hi All
I have been offered this Swiss model and was wondering if the experts could chime in as far as value and desirability. This would be my 1st Swiss Luger and am still learning as far as these go.

Any help is greatly appreciated!

Paul

The one you picture was made by DWM in Berlin for the Swiss.

Some of these were shipped in the white and final finished by the Swiss. The one you're looking at has the Swiss cross in Sunburst, and is an earlier variation than mine...

In general the Swiss made guns and the German made ones for the Swiss embody the definition of high precision. They are my favorite Lugers. They have higher valuation.

This picture shows the major variations... DWM M1900, DWM M1900/06, W+F M1900/06 Waffenfabrik Bern, and W+F 06/29 Waffenfabrik Bern.

http://forum.lugerforum.com/attachme...4&d=1392241736

I think Marc has already given you all the basic information about your gun.
Swiss Lugers are among my favourite.
In my opinion to get a deeper informations some closer and more detailed pictures of your Luger would help.
Your gun is a so called "New Model" a "commercial" one made presumably between 1906 - 1914
Basically is like a Swiss Army 1900/06 with the exception of the barrel chamber junction with a German kind of thread and the wooden magazine bottom wihout any metallic insert.
On the underside of the barel you should be able to see the German proofmarks the BUG or the crowned capital "N" with the figure 172,28 which means the caliber explained in the old English system (number of lead bullets in that diameter that at the time they could make with a pound of lead)
It's quite a nice gun, but as I said detailed pictures would help to give a better opinion about blueing and markings on your Parabellum.

Sergio

also a Swiss barrel without Geman proofmarks is possible - some Swiss commercial Lugers 1906 were delivered from Germany without barrels

Alexander

may be a 1920 luger. i think the serial numbers on the left side is not for military.

Thanks for the feedback guys!!! Does anyone have an idea on value?

Per Ben's post, this could be a standard (non-Swiss) DWM M1900/06 that had the Swiss cross over starburst added later. None of the Swiss Lugers photographed in Bobba or Datig have a serial number there. In that position there should be an acceptance punch, a small cross. Also the number on the rear of the rear toggle should be the three last digits of the serial number, not just two. (Corrected below... should be two digits...).

The cross in sunburst would be correct for this serial number. Datig and Bobba say it changed to the shield at about number 10,000.

If correct, Datig says that this was from the 1908 shipment to the Swiss.

Take a good sharp closeup of the cross in starburst. That might help with further identification.

Marc

This is a typical Swiss Commercial 1906, delivered after WW I. The SN on this place is correct for this variation. 2 digits on the rear toogle is ok as well - only DWM Lugers 1906 assembled by W+F Bern have 3 digits.

Alexander

The German type of barrel chamber was supposed to have a shorter thread than the Swiss one.

There is a difference in barrel thread length due to "long frame" and "short frame" configuration. All Swiss guns are of the "long frame" variety. After 1906 most non-Swiss Lugers were "short frame"