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mrerick 12-08-2014 04:11 PM

Plum Swiss
 
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In the past couple of years, I have been lucky enough to acquire examples of each major Swiss Luger variation.

Some of these look to have been maintained under the ongoing Swiss Bern arsenal rebuild programs.

My 1900 (shipped from DWM in 1904) has both the upgraded Swiss extractor and a replacement barrel:

http://forum.lugerforum.com/attachme...1&d=1418072841

There is a very apparent plum color to the bluing on this replacement barrel, which is in very excellent condition. I don't think it was used or shot much after the replacement.

A few weeks ago, I acquired a M1906/29 Swiss Bern Luger vintage January, 1935. This one has extensive Sig manufacturing markings internally. It is all original, including the original barrel:

http://forum.lugerforum.com/attachme...1&d=1418072841

This Luger's barrel appears to have the same plum color as my M1900's replacement barrel.

Did the Swiss have a period around 1935 when new and replacement barrels had this finish tone?

My later 1938 vintage M1906/29 has a much blacker overall finish.

Thanks, Marc

Ben M. 12-12-2014 12:10 PM

maybe same problem mauser had with salt blueing?

mrerick 12-12-2014 12:12 PM

I'm not sure I'd identify it as a problem. It is certainly a variation, unless you dislike the color...

The color is involved in a combination of the alloy composition of the steel, the salt bluing chemical process, heat and time...

It's likely that the Swiss changed their approach after this since my 1938 has a very different and uniform almost black appearance.

Ben M. 12-12-2014 12:40 PM

by looking at simpson cite, you see some plum barrels on the red plastic lugers but here&there. many red guns have correct color to match guns. brown and black plastic guns seem ok with barrel colors. since this was a new gun and maybe some new metals, maybe it took time to learned the technique? do we see plum color on the bern06 guns?

mrerick 12-12-2014 04:11 PM

To some extent this is useful, since it gives a clue to when my M1900 Swiss might have been rebarreled. My guess now is early to mid 1930s.

Marc

Sergio Natali 12-13-2014 03:41 AM

I'm not an expert on blueing but as far as I know many P08 made after 1937 onward had ejectors with varying degrees of plum shades and that was apparently due to some sort of erroneous time/temperature control during the actual bluing process.

IMHO

Sergio

mrerick 12-14-2014 10:51 AM

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Yes - I also have Mauser made Lugers from WW-II that show the plum colors.

A few years ago, I got a couple of Bavarian / Austrian re-issued M1 Carbines that show the deepest plum coloring of any metal I have. These were redone sometime after the end of WW-II through the 1960s.....

Here's a quick picture:

http://forum.lugerforum.com/attachme...1&d=1418572181

Ben M. 12-18-2014 08:35 PM

one with red barrel on auctions. early number.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=458986510

mrerick 12-18-2014 08:38 PM

At sn 50187, the one on Gunbroker is about 2,500 Lugers ahead of my plum Swiss...

Marc


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