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Poorman's Carbine?

Post-World War I, DWM Model 1920 Luger Carbine

http://www.rockislandauction.com/vie...aid/62/lid/883

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Description: This is a very nice example of a post-World War I, DWM Model 1920 Luger Carbine that is complete with a carbine style walnut stock and detachable forend. The 1920 Carbines were originally assembled on a very limited basis by DWM in the post WWI era, with all being sold in the United States through two or three major importers; A. F. Stoeger, Abercrombie and Fitch or Bannermans. They were typically assembled on reworked, WWI military Luger pistols in a long barreled carbine configuration that was fitted with a carbine type stock. This example is a recreation of a 1920 "long-barreled" variation. It has a blank chamber area with the script "DWM" logo on the front toggle with the safety and extractor, marked "GESICHERT" and "GELADEN" respectively. This barrel has the distinctive 1920 long-barreled configuration, (not the carbine style) that does not have the barrel mounted rear sight. The barrel is unmarked and the left side of the barrel extension has the 1920 era "Crown/N" commercial proof, with no other markings. It is complete with one current commercial magazine with a unmarked wooden base. The front of the frame has been fitted with a correct style forend hanger which has been fitted with a very nice 1920 style walnut forend. Also included with this pistol is a 1920 era walnut Luger carbine style stock.
Condition: Fine as period refinished with 99% of the deep blue finish overall. The markings are clear and distinct and the edges square and nicely polished. The grips are in very good condition with visible checkering, showing wear across the tops of the checkering with a small repair under the safety lever. The various smaller parts retain 98% of their restrawed colors overall. The forend and stock are both in very good condition with a nice medium brown walnut color overall, with very nice, well done checkered patterns on both pieces showing light wear across the tops of the checkering.

Darius,

Thanks for your link,
These "poorman's carbines" are awfuly beautiful and quite scarce if in good original conditions; despite the title of this post here they cost a fortune.

Sergio

This "recreation", if offered here in the US, is most likely an unlawful, unregistered short barreled rifle, unless it has somehow made the Curio and Relics list.

Please also note the poorly fitted forend lock.

Is it an original or is it a new creation? If made in 1920 then it isn't illegal.
Thanks
Jack

it is classified as Curio & Relic Handgun :typing:

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Originally Posted by alanint (Post 259701)

Please also note the poorly fitted forend lock.

Doug, I'm guessing that the 'forend lock' is of the wedge type, like the Colt cap & ball revolver barrels???

Perhaps it was left oversize for the owner to fit it??? I ask this because I have two Italian Pietta repro cap & ball Colt replicas [1860 & 1858] that I bought new; both have oversize wedges. No instructions were included on how to fit them, so mine just hang half in/half out like this carbine...

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Originally Posted by luger.parabellum (Post 259693)

Darius,

Thanks for your link,
These "poorman's carbines" are awfuly beautiful and quite scarce if in good original conditions; despite the title of this post here they cost a fortune.

Sergio

yes Sergio.. to clarify, this carbine is "affordable" (i.e. estimated $2,500-$4,000; LOT 883) as compared to the real deal i posted in "Premiere Firearms Auction - September 12, 13, & 14, 2014", Post#3 (estimated $37,500 to $55,000 http://www.rockislandauction.com/vie...id/62/lid/3444; Lot 3444)

here's a real sweet one at Julia's

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STUNNING 1902 LUGER CARBINE WITH MATCHING STOCK AND LEATHER SCABBARD.

SN 24468. 11-3/4″ carbine bbl with long ramp front sight, 3-position rear sight, and BUG proofs and full SN on bottom. DWM scroll on center toggle link. Dished toggles with toggle latch. BU proofs on toggle assembly and left side of receiver. Checkered walnut forearm with sling swivel and matching number inside well. Checkered walnut grips. All numbered parts are matching. Original matching checkered walnut stock with original serrated horn buttplate. Not only do the numbers on the stock and forearm match the gun, but the finish, condition, and color of the wood are completely matching and original, likely from the same piece of wood. In an original period cognac-colored leather head-to-toe configuration box-shaped scabbard with very scarce long brass carbine oiler/cleaning rod in fitted pouch and two extra wood bottom magazines. Scabbard has lids at each end that buckle at top and a leather handle. This gun is featured on pp. 221, 248 & 256 of The Borchardt & Luger Automatic Pistols by Joachim Gortz & Dr. Geoffrey Sturgess, and the scabbard appears on p. 1446. PROVENANCE: Collection of Dr. Geoffrey Sturgess. CONDITION: Beautiful, totally original condition with bright blue and straw that would be near new except for extra wear and dings on front grip strap from contact with stock iron while in the scabbard, light wear on sharp edges and corners, a few faded spots on top of bbl, and some corrosion on bottom of frame. Bore is bright and sharp. Grips are sharp with beautiful wood grain and a few nicks and chips to checkering. Forearm has sharp checkering and beautiful original finish on wood as does the stock which has beautiful blue and straw and bright fire blue on buttplate screws. Buttplate has light wear and original bright finish. Scabbard is in very good condition with beautiful original color on leather that has light scuffs and normal wear for its age. Sharp edges and corners are flaking and cracking as are closure straps on top. Accessories are excellent. 4-52105 BWS153 ($20,000-$30,000)