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Sergio Natali 03-19-2014 12:49 PM

To Krieghoff or not to Krieghoff, this is the question
 
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Maybe I've got too many itches, and my wish list is getting longer and longer, but I've just seen this Krieghoff for sale; can't produce any more photos for now, next Saturday they'll let me know its selling price, it's all matching except the firing pin, .code "S" 3rd series, stamped "H K KRIEGHOFF SUHL" , 4 figure s/n, original brown plastic grips, good barrel, BUT being in Italy it hass been rechambereed 9x21 IMI :-(

I'll wait until Saturday then I'll take a decision.

spartacus38 03-19-2014 01:05 PM

Unnumbered firing pin is correct.Is mag matching?
Bob

alanint 03-19-2014 01:10 PM

That is awfully sloppy machinework on the left frame ear above the safety for a Kreighoff.

John Sabato 03-19-2014 01:12 PM

Sergio, I am by no means a Krieghoff expert...

Hopefully John D. will chime in here.

My observations follow and I encourage anyone who knows more about KH guns to comment:
  • The gun is not numbered in the military style? so is it commercial? :confused:
  • I am not accustomed to seeing the round milling marks being so prominent in the frame "ear" surrounding the safety lever on a Krieghoff. :eek: Perhaps this gun is POST-WAR assembled from parts and therefore not up to standard KH quality control?
  • There Appears to be bluing over some of the pitting which would indicate that the gun may have been refinished, perhaps after the re-chambering operation?

I open the floor for comments and other's observations!

:cheers:

lugerholsterrepair 03-19-2014 01:29 PM

Price is the main consideration here..If you can accept the possible re finnish and the re chambering suits you then having a Krieghoff like this comes down to what you are willing to part with. $2000 USD would be about tops IMO.

Sergio Natali 03-19-2014 02:50 PM

I wrote all I knew for the moment.
I'll be a lot more precise when I'll go to see it on Saturday morning; price IS important of course, but generally I tend to prefer to pay "the right amount" only for something really worth it, otherwise I prefer no to bother.

I wish to thank all of you for now.

Sergio

stressed 03-19-2014 08:49 PM

Are those grips Kreighoff specific?

nukem556 03-19-2014 09:33 PM

Definite refinish.........

Sergio Natali 03-20-2014 02:41 AM

Yes they should be Krighoff ones, in any case I'll have to hold it in my hands and examine it first to have a better idea of that gun.

alanint 03-20-2014 03:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stressed (Post 252041)
Are those grips Kreighoff specific?

No. There is a documented small run of Mausers that also were issued with Brown, plastic grips.

Sergio Natali 03-20-2014 06:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanint (Post 252054)
No. There is a documented small run of Mausers that also were issued with Brown, plastic grips.


I don't know about that, the seller told me expressely about "original brown plastic grips", but as I said I'm looking forward to see itl

cirelaw 03-20-2014 08:33 AM

A 1937 For Comparison~
 
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1937 #7932 ~~Eric

John Sabato 03-20-2014 09:28 AM

Thanks for your photos Eric.

Two quick differences noted...

Not the same grips... different style. Eric's grips have a smooth border completely surrounding the checkering, and the pistol in question has grips that "appear" to have no top border...

Notice also that the milling marks in the safety lever recess are much more difficult to see than the prominent circles on the gun that is for sale...

DavidJayUden 03-20-2014 09:35 AM

Interesting to compare the lines around the "hump" on the side plates. MUCH clearer/sharper on the 1937 gun.
dju

Ben M. 03-20-2014 10:31 AM

ritzmann grips came first. then the mauserlike brown grips.

cirelaw 03-20-2014 11:14 AM

George Found Me This Beautiful Holster~
 
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Never seen another this good!

Sergio Natali 03-21-2014 02:38 AM

:confused:



I hope to receive some more "imput/opinions" by some of our Krieghoff Luger expert of the Forum before tomorrow...

stressed 03-21-2014 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Ben M. (Post 252079)
ritzmann grips came first. then the mauserlike brown grips.

Can you explain this in better detail? Which is which? Krieghoffs came with these plastic brown grips after certain year? "Ritzmann" grips like luger.parabellum's luger?

Sergio Natali 03-21-2014 05:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stressed (Post 252135)
Can you explain this in better detail? Which is which? Krieghoffs came with these plastic brown grips after certain year? "Ritzmann" grips like luger.parabellum's luger?


As far as I know (not that much compared to other forum's mates) in 1938 there were the brown Ritzmann and from 1939 black Ritzmann, but I saw "S" code with wood grips (1st and 2nd series).

cirelaw 03-21-2014 09:46 AM

Randall Gibson To The Rescue~
 
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There is a fine article on the different grip styles ~~Eric


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