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John Sabato 12-23-2013 01:28 PM

Mikhail Kalashnikov has passed away...
 
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/12...cmp=latestnews

K.Wilhelm 12-23-2013 02:11 PM

Kalashnikov's passing
 
One genius of a tank mechanic! KW

George Anderson 12-23-2013 02:14 PM

Was he the father of the STG44 or the guy who copied it?

cirelaw 12-23-2013 04:10 PM

Here a good history of the man. He outlived all their leaders...http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/24/wo...e-94.html?_r=0 Thank You John~

sheepherder 12-23-2013 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by George Anderson (Post 246670)
Was he the father of the STG44 or the guy who copied it?

He was the father of the AK-47, which he says he was 'inspired by' the STG-44... :)

GySgt1811 12-23-2013 05:51 PM

Rip
 
From one Tanker to another; Rest in Peace, Mikhail. You were a hero to your country in a time of need.

Gunny John

George Anderson 12-23-2013 06:21 PM

I was also a tanker. Kalishnikov's rifle has put and continues to put a lot of American soldiers in their graves. F---k him!

alvin 12-23-2013 06:55 PM

Curiously, is STG44's structure as simple as AK47? Never had a chance to look inside a STG44...

jagervw 12-24-2013 12:33 AM

Former 19K here too. Like George Luger, his weapon will live for ever in infamy.

Sieger 12-24-2013 02:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alvin (Post 246698)
Curiously, is STG44's structure as simple as AK47? Never had a chance to look inside a STG44...

Hi,

Being of German design, I would doubt it. The Germans have a saying about Russian machines..."It's all one part!!!"...

Sieger

alanint 12-24-2013 07:30 AM

The MP44's bolt body/head and the gas piston are two seperate components, while the AK's bolt body/gas piston are one unit. Only the bolt head can be removed from the assembly.

The return spring is also not captured, but retained via the buttstock on the MP44, while the AK has the entire return spring within its receiver.

The first production AKs had a machined receiver, (although the truly first examples where stamped, just like the MP44) versus the MP44s stamped components.

Although Kalashnikov always denied a direct influence, (and would get upset when folks implied it), anybody with any brains can see a direct influence from one design to the other.

GySgt1811 12-24-2013 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by George Anderson (Post 246696)
I was also a tanker. Kalishnikov's rifle has put and continues to put a lot of American soldiers in their graves. F---k him!

Yes. And so did/do Springfields, Garands, Colts, M1 carbines, M-14s, M-16s, M-4s, etc.

I feel strangely sad responding to your post, George. You're absolutely right...and I, like you, knew some of those soldiers/Marines; and yet, Kalishnikov was a patriot who deeply loved his country just as we do ours. And that's how I'm judging him.

To feel otherwise is to deny the honor of patriotism in others, or else then we will have to paint Eli Remington, Samuel Colt, Horace B. Smith, Daniel Wesson, Oliver Winchester, Paul Mauser, George Luger, John Garand, "Carbine" Williams, Eugine Stoner, etc. (You get the idea) with the same brush.

Or maybe there's another agenda in your response that I'm too...fill in the blank...to understand.


Anyway, Merry Christmas to all, and someday, God willing (are you listening, Lord?) may we please have World Peace.

Gunny John

Sergio Natali 12-24-2013 01:33 PM

While I still feel that the true designer behind the AK 47 was probably Hugo Schmeisser. It was Kalashnikov who put it all together. We cannot fault the man for trying to give his own country the best rifle possible.

DavidJayUden 12-24-2013 01:53 PM

One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrrorist.
dju

Piet 12-28-2013 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davidjayuden (Post 246748)
one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrrorist.
Dju

amen

Piet 12-28-2013 01:04 PM

Read an article today in the local paper, that claims that the AK47 was responsible for more deaths than any other rifle.
In Africa this was the available weapon for the "terrorists / freedom fighters" Surely the weapon could fire under severe situations and was usually severely neglected and misused. Some of the captured weapons was damaged to the extend that one could not believe it could still fire.
With the South African Defence Force using the R1 (FN 7.62mm) in the savannah bushveld where shots of 80 to 150 meters were possible, one did feel much more comfortable with the heavy but accurate R1. Small trees or bushes were no threat for the heavy bullet just ripped through it.

cirelaw 12-28-2013 01:53 PM

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Piet, I feel allot safer with yours!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_FAL ~~Eric


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