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JRILEYNJ 08-19-2013 12:01 AM

single date 1920 value/where it came from?
 
1920 luger only 1 date all numbers match. Not sure value or where it came from. Any Help would be greatly appreciated. Inherited recently from my neighbor. (Polish neighbor) maybe came from poland
http://forum.lugerforum.com/album.php?albumid=530
Pics in my album trying to post

DavidJayUden 08-19-2013 12:27 AM

Made by DWM, 9mm, for the police force. Appears to have both the sear safety and the mag. safety. Others will be able to tell you more on the grip frame markings, but it looks very nice. Maybe in the ballpark of $1400 if its all matching in and out?
These are for sort of a specialized collector market.
dju

schnurrbart 08-19-2013 12:46 AM

Reichswehr

Ron Wood 08-19-2013 01:12 AM

Very nice Luger. I will take a wild guess that it is for the Schutzpolizei Bremen, but I really hope Don Maus will step in and give a more authoritative answer.

mdrumbore 08-19-2013 07:52 AM

Going by Don's book it looks like Schutzpolizei Breslau main garrison weapon number 652. If I am correct in seeing S.Br.I.652.

JRILEYNJ 08-19-2013 08:21 AM

I have a range day coming up this week for work (Police). Going to shoot our Glocks and M'4s. Is it a good thing or bad thing to fire off a couple rounds from the Luger. My plans so far are to hold on to it. Looks great inside so I believe it is safe to fire. Would I help or hurt the value to know that it is operational?

Ice 08-19-2013 08:45 AM

You can shoot your all matching number luger but be aware that if a numbered part breaks, you will have reduced its value by at least half. I would keep it in unfired condition and get a parts/shooter luger for fun. Your pistol is about 90 years old and matching replacement parts are just about unavailable.

Charlie

DavidJayUden 08-19-2013 08:46 AM

Nice to know it works but to a real collector it probably means little.
Bad to have a numbered part break (and they do) during firing and cost you half the gun's value.
Ultimately your decision as to whether to roll those dice.
dju

JRILEYNJ 08-19-2013 08:58 AM

May just store it. Maybe a display case or something. Will have fun enough with the other weapons. I'll let this old timer rest.
Thank you guys so much for your help, very interesting.
It pays to be a good neighbor I guess.

JRILEYNJ 08-19-2013 09:11 AM

http://forum.lugerforum.com/picture....pictureid=2688
Lastly this is a pic of the holster. Just to confirm what I think. This in not even a luger holster (it fits). No markings. Just a generic holster?

lugerholsterrepair 08-19-2013 11:26 AM

High power holster

Don M 08-19-2013 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdrumbore (Post 238704)
Going by Don's book it looks like Schutzpolizei Breslau main garrison weapon number 652. If I am correct in seeing S.Br.I.652.

Breslau is correct. The Bremen Schupo used S.P.Bn. or SP.Bn. The gun is yet another of the puzzling 1920-dated DWMs with an "n" suffix.

Geo99 08-20-2013 10:55 PM

Very nice gun - looks to be in excellent condition. I would shoot it once but that's just me. Whatever you do don't use the wood bottom magazine. In fact, you should probably unload that wood bottom mag before the bottom cracks.

I have not seen those particular inspector proofs before - does anyone know what they are?

- Geo

Don M 08-21-2013 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geo99 (Post 238782)
I have not seen those particular inspector proofs before - does anyone know what they are?

Those are the stamps of the Ausrüstungsamt (government procurement office) ArA4 which was formed after WWI. In 1921, it was renamed Waffenamt 4 and the stamps were replaced with an eagle over WaA4. They were used only for a short period of time and, to my knowledge, used only on 1920 and some 1921 dated DWM P08s.

Sergio Natali 08-21-2013 01:59 PM

I love going to the range especially with my GLOCK 19 GLOCK 23 also because I 'm aware that if by pure chance something goes wrong wouldn't be a big issue. I agreee that if a numbered part of your LUGER breaks, you will have reduced its value by an awful lot, listen to me, do not take any risk and keep it immaculate.

alvin 08-21-2013 06:41 PM

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I am totally lost.

So, was gun with n suffix made in 1920 ?? In that case, my Luger was also made in 1920 (I wrongly thought it was made around 1923 in the past).

Or, is n-series with 1920 chamber date unrelated with mine (the chamber on my instance is blank, no year),,, a separate series ??

Don M 08-21-2013 09:37 PM

Alvin, you are correct that your gun, with an "n" suffix but without a chamber date, was made in 1923 as a commercial. John's gun, with an "n" suffix and with a 1920 chamber date, was made in 1920 under a contract for military and police P08s. They are separate series. The 1920-dated n-suffix pistols are a bit of a puzzle.


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