Help to ID NSDAP markings on Luger
 

New to forum and would like help from the experts on the significance of the markings on the front strap of this Luger. It does not belong to me. A friend of mine asked for help and I don't know much about Lugers he let me take pictures to post on this site. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Somebody been monkeying around...This marking is as fake as John Kerry's Silver Star.

Thanks for the info. I will pass on your observations.

Ken, Have your Friend remove the grips and see if they perchance match this pistol. They are a terrible fit. Not right at all IMO. They should taper down flush to the edge of the gripstrap.

OK I'll call and ask him to check. I'm assuming they should have the last two numbers of the serial number?

Ken, Yes..the last 2 and perhaps an Eagle 63 or a WaA of some sort of acceptance mark.

Ruined a nice wartime Mauser

We removed the grips and they are marked with the last two digits of the serial number which is 21. There are no other markings.

So what does it translate to?
dju

I have no idea. It was bought I believe at gun show in the late 70's early 80's. He thought there was some paper work with it and he is looking for it.

Something like: The NAZI SA Group North Sea

Yes, from the Elite shipboard SA Commandos! :roflmao:

Hi Ken,

There indeed was an "SA der NSDAP Gruppe Nordsee". An SA training school. Here are some original documents from an SA Troopers personnel files.

IMO, your friend has a very, very, rare and desirable unit marked, or more correctly, "Property marked" Luger. The markings are Pantographed rather than stamped, which would be correct for the era.

A quote from the description of the documents:

"Rotenführer according to a file page from the NSDAP, Gruppe Nordsee. A report from the SA group school Nordsee in a paper entitled “Beurteilung” has many good things to say about trooper Harms and it is signed by the Obersturmbannführer v. Engelin with the official stamp with eagle and swastika of the Nordsee Gruppe."

Ron

i did not know there was a school on how to beat up people, i always assumed it was on the job training.

I would dearly like to see another example before I bought that story. Can anybody point to another example?

Doug..Hang on for a day or two and I am sure I can get one...

Ron may be correct. I guess anything is possible but IF it's a one of... it might be hard to prove it's legitimate. I guess at this point the jury is still out. I was interested to see that there actually IS/was an "SA der NSDAP Gruppe Nordsee".

This is a list of Nordsee SA badges from the collection of a German collector. As in the attached photo..

These Nordsee SA groups existed.

It was also very common for Military and Police Schools or training facilities to property mark their equipment. The German Navy pantographed property marks on their equipment and weapons until approximately 1940.

Since the Nordsee Gruppe was located near, or possibly at the Naval station at Bremen, it wouldn't be a stretch for them to have had their weapons marked by the same facility.



SA-Gruppen

Gruppe Nordsee – Kampfsporttage der NSDAP 1933 Bremen - #93
Gruppe Nordsee – Tag der SA 1936 Bremen - #50, #66
Gruppe Nordsee – Sportwettkämpfe 1938 - #9
Gruppe Nordsee – Wehrkampftage 1939 - #51
Gruppe Nordsee – Wehrkampftage 1939 plastic- #97

Hi Ron, You've got me convinced. Thank's for the education.
Best regards, Norm

Hi Norm,

That makes two of us... ;)

In fact, if this SA Gruppe was stationed at the Naval Station in Bremen. It makes even more sense that they would have their weapons property marked, in order to distinguish them from Navy issue, or to keep them from being comshawed by the Navy personnel.

Thanks...

Ron

"comshawd". Haven't heard that in a few years. That is how I used to get spare parts for the "E" gang on my diesel boats. A five gallon tin of coffee could get a mg set overhauled. In Yoko our cooks would cook so much extra and then carefully wrap it safely in the trash. The yard birds ate well from what was sent to the pier and we got some of the best yard work ever done. Submarine comissary budget had much more than the engineering budget...being Submariners we could make it work.
Dive, Dive, take her deep..make your depth 58 feet. That is all.:cheers: