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Your first Luger is a Portuguese. Manual 2 was the king? These were somewhere in the timeframe of 1936 or so. The double magazine pouch you show with your 1916 Luger is Portuguese as well.
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Thanks! Portuguese? I have so much to learn..... :) So would this be for Police or for the public?
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I believe its a commercial contract with dwm made for the portugese army . I dont know diddly about holsters. I wonder if Mr.Burney can tell us how he knew its a portugese mag pouch? Nice rare pistol looks matched and original?
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As Jerry Burney has indicated, your first pistol is a fairly nice example of the Model 1906 pattern Portuguese Army Luger. The inscription on the chamber is for Manuel II, the monarch of Portugal just before it became a republic around 1935. The contract for this pistol was in 1908 and consisted of 5000 guns. If the magazine in your gun is an original, it will have no number and will be marked with a triangle in a circle like the mark on the left receiver, barrel and rear of the frame of the pistol.
The holster is correct for the gun. Also the cleaning rod and pin punch are the correct type for the M2 Portuguese. The AE on the back of the holster is the designation for “Arsenal do Exercito” (Army Arsenal in Lisbon Portugal). The double magazine pouch with your 1916 is, as Jerry stated, very likely a Portuguese pouch and belongs with the M2 Luger and holster. It is nearly identical to the German navy pouch, and I suspect that if you look closely you probably will find an AE marking on the inside of the flap. You have a quite collectable contract Luger from the early years. Congratulations. |
Ron, I am in awe of the info you shared here.
To answer those questions, yes the mag pouch does in fact have the AE stamp on the inside of the flap. I don't know how I missed that except I wasn't looking for it. As for the magazine in the pistol, it is an original type with the wood plug at the bottom and doesn't have any number on it. However even after looking at it carefully I could not find any proof mark. If they always put the proof on the mag, then it may have been swapped at some point in its life. Anyway, thanks again to all! |
Keith,
The "little pick" is a pin punch, used to remove appropriate-sized pins on the pistol, i.e. toggle axle retaining pin, extractor retention pin, etc. Originals are obviously worth more than repros, and it could come in handy sometime. |
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Unfortunatly, this would have been complete if I had the loading tool... Thanks for the info! |
Another question.... is there a way I can tell from the stamped numbers and letters in the 1914 holster what unit that came from? I'm asuming thats what it is.
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Yes, the Regimental guys will Chime in on this. It looks like the 1st. Jager Regiment, 21st. Company, pistol number 14?
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Actually it is a Weimar marking that translates to 1st Company, 21st Regt, weapon 14.
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Just slight correction about the time frame of the Portuguese Luger.
As Ron correctly said, these pistols were purchased around 1908 for the Portuguese Army. At that time, Portugal was a Kingdom, and Manuel II (1889-1932) was its ruler. He had become king when his father (Carlos I) and older brother (Luis Felipe) were shot and killed by two anarchists on February 1st, 1908. However, Manuel II rule was short: a coup d'etat followed in October, 1910 and Portugal became a Republic. That's why some of the Navy portuguese Lugers bear the king Manuel II anagram and others has R.P. (Republica Portuguesa) over the chamber, as the political change occurred during the delivery of such guns. Nice pistols and thanks for sharing. Douglas. |
Thanks for the correction Douglas! At my age relying on memory doesn't always come up with the right details. :)
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Beautiful pistols Keith! Your dad knew how to pick 'em. :)
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He sure did! I just wish I would have paid more attention to them while he was still with us..... :( but I'm learning now.
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Beautiful Portuguese Luger rig - seen a few beat up ones, but hard to find in that nice original condition, especially with the entire rig. A keeper for sure!
-Geo |
Really like those Portuguese lugers :)
Thanks for posting your M2 Vern |
Just an update to my post....
First a question on the Portuguese pistol. I took it apart today for a total cleaning and oiling and while all the major parts have the same number, I found the grip saftey lever had another number. Does anyone know if that part should have the same number, or is the number stamped on it something else. I have a feeling I already know the answer to this.... :) http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/u...psb8f91467.jpg The other this is just a pleasent surprise on the 1916 luger. While I had it apart once before just to check things out, I hadnt noticed until today when I stripped it like the other one and found that the grips and magazine also have the same serial number stamped on them! I really have no idea how I missed the mag. To bad the wood plug is cracked... but it is a great thing to have it match! http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/u...psc6335192.jpg http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/u...ps263b8c2c.jpg http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/u...ps31110888.jpg |
Just out of curiosity what would the value be on the M-2 marked luger? Interesting piece!
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Anyway this one will be staying with me for a while. |
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