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Elliot308 09-28-2012 04:20 AM

Friends new Luger (Possible 1938 Mauser)
 
Hello, I'm big into Kalashnikovs and not so knowledgeable when it comes to Lugers.

A colleague of mine just came into one and knowing that I'm into firearms asked me about it. Unfortunately I don't know the first thing about them but I told him I would look into it.

I asked on some other forums that I frequent and was referred here.

I had him take some photographs and post them on photobucket so I could pass them around and see what I could learn.

Someone on another forum said it was a Mauser and was made in 38. Is this accurate information? Is there anything else you can tell from the pics in this album?

link

I would appreciate any and all insight.


http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/h...rP089mm001.jpg
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pitsword 09-28-2012 07:10 AM

Looks to be an all matching 1938 Mauser in super nice condition. Try to post your pics here. BTW, nice work with the photos. How about some pics of the magazine? Welcome to the forum.

SteveM 09-28-2012 07:15 AM

It is a Mauser S/42 code 1938 and appears to be all matching numbers and in excellent condition. If your friend is interested in selling it send me a PM.

Steve

DavidJayUden 09-28-2012 10:02 AM

Is there an issue on the inside number on the side plate?
A very nice gun.
dju

mrerick 09-28-2012 10:03 AM

It's hard to determine from your pictures, but is the extractor numbered "00" or "01".

Is the Luger s/n 1600m ? If so, your trigger plate is a mis-match. The digits "17" should be inside the trigger plate. It looks like they are "33". That would only go with a pistol numbered "3200" with some suffix.

So... unfortunately that mis-match makes the entire pistol a "shooter" grade pistol. It also make you really need to look closely at everything else. Only someone trying to make this look like a matching pistol would have done this.

Marc

Elliot308 09-28-2012 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pitsword (Post 220600)
Looks to be an all matching 1938 Mauser in super nice condition. Try to post your pics here. BTW, nice work with the photos. How about some pics of the magazine? Welcome to the forum.


Pics posted. They way he shared the PB with me I couldn't select all. I had to copy them one at a time, that's why I just posted the link originally.

In his email he mentioned that the magazines and leather holster do not match. There fore no pics were sent to me.

Thank you.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveM (Post 220601)
It is a Mauser S/42 code 1938 and appears to be all matching numbers and in excellent condition. If your friend is interested in selling it send me a PM.

Steve

I don't know what his intentions with it are. But I will pass it along that you are interested. What do you think it is worth? That is one of the Q's he asked me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidJayUden (Post 220602)
Is there an issue on the inside number on the side plate?
A very nice gun.
dju

My novice apologies, what is the side plate? Can you specify the image number so I can look or have another photo taken?

Elliot308 09-28-2012 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrerick (Post 220603)
It's hard to determine from your pictures, but is the extractor numbered "00" or "01".

Is the Luger s/n 1600m ? If so, your trigger plate is a mis-match. The digits "17" should be inside the trigger plate. It looks like they are "33". That would only go with a pistol numbered "3200" with some suffix.

So... unfortunately that mis-match makes the entire pistol a "shooter" grade pistol. It also make you really need to look closely at everything else. Only someone trying to make this look like a matching pistol would have done this.

Marc

I can't quite tell from the pics either. I see what you are looking at. I will request that he takes a clear pic of that for me and add it in.

I see the 1600 but not the 1600m, can you specify by image number? I see a piece with 33 on it so I assume I'm looking at what you are but I don't know much about these so I can't say.

If that is true that would be sad indeed. I don't know what he paid for it.

SteveM 09-28-2012 03:32 PM

Try to find out what the number is inside:

If it isn't correct, collector value has been reduced significantly.


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lugerholsterrepair 09-28-2012 04:53 PM

The number inside the sideplate is VERY clear in one of the above images and it is without doubt 33.

rhuff 09-28-2012 05:31 PM

I agree with those above that both the extractor and the side plate are incorrect for this Luger. Also, the "famous chip' is evident on the numbered grips....which could be repaired. What do you folks feel about the bluing?

Elliot308 09-28-2012 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rhuff (Post 220610)
I agree with those above that both the extractor and the side plate are incorrect for this Luger. Also, the "famous chip' is evident on the numbered grips....which could be repaired. What do you folks feel about the bluing?

Can you point out this famous chip? I'm assuming by the phrase that this is common?

I searched the forum and see that the grip by the safety looks a little nipped.

DavidJayUden 09-28-2012 07:26 PM

The chip is just behind the safety lever, the result of impatience in removing the grip panel. Not at all uncommon, but it does hurt the value somewhat.
I'm starting to get a bit nervous on this one. The fact that someone has bothered to either locate or fabricate a sideplate that would pass at first blush makes me wonder what other skullduggery we should look for.
But regardless, the Luger would bring top dollar in the shooter category.
dju

mrerick 09-29-2012 11:58 AM

The Luger's full serial number is visible on the front of the frame, above the trigger guard. The "m" (out of focus, so difficult to read) is below the 1600 on this photo:

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/h...rP089mm072.jpg

Again, if this was offered to you as an all matching pistol, the presence of a mis-match plate with the correct outer numbers and incorrect inner numbers should raise your suspicions about other issues like finish originality.

It looks to be in great condition. Probably valued at the higher end of a mis-matched shooter Luger. Perhaps valued at $900-1100.

Marc

tomaustin 09-29-2012 12:13 PM

surely someone trying to doctor a sideplate would see
 
the 33 in on the reverse side.........which would indicate this is not a serious effort to deceive, but an effort to impress his friends with an "all-matching pistol".........lugerdoc, how often do you get asked for a blank sideplate ??

DavidJayUden 09-29-2012 01:25 PM

"the 33 in on the reverse side.........which would indicate this is not a serious effort to deceive, but an effort to impress his friends with an "all-matching pistol"

At the least it shows an effort to impress ones friends. But it is more likely an effort to make money dishonestly. I guess it all depends on how it was marketed/disclosed to the prospective buyers. And there are a lot of sellers out there, nefarious and otherwise, who are not aware of the inside number issue.
Again I state that is a very nice shooter. But nothing more.
dju

lugerholsterrepair 09-30-2012 10:29 AM

The chip is just behind the safety lever, the result of impatience in removing the grip panel.

David I agree that's ONE of the ways..shooting is another. I took a pistol shooting with the grip completely intact and the grip fractured at the safety and fell out right on the firing line.


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