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HUGO REVELES 07-17-2012 02:23 AM

germany stylish mexicán
 
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they think this luger 7.65mm?
the grips silver germany 20´s

Douglas Jr. 07-17-2012 09:15 AM

Hugo,

It's impossible to answer your questions from the picture posted. We need to know what marking are there...
This gun can be a commercial pistol made during the 1920s (most chambered to 7,65mm Luger ammo, just a few in 9mm), but it could also be a military gun.

Douglas.

Edward Tinker 07-17-2012 09:16 AM

No idea, you tell us?

Give us more information, more pictures

Does a pencil fit down the opening easily, if yes, then it is in 9mm, if no, then 7.65mm


Ed

lugerholsterrepair 07-17-2012 09:55 AM

The grips look cast aluminum with a cowboy and Indian motif...Highly doubt they are German.

John Sabato 07-17-2012 10:44 AM

The gun: German
The Grips: Mexican
The Type: Commercial
The Caliber: Most likely 7.65mm.

Okay, I agree with Jerry. The grips are definitely Mexican in origin. Silver or Aluminum? no way to tell from this photograph. Much better photographs are required.

What I do see in the photograph is that this pistol does not have much original finish left on it, but does not appear to have been re-blued. It is not numbered in the military style, the only 'possible' serial number in this photo appears to be on the top front of the safety lever. That says it is a "commercial" gun to me...

Like Ed said, there is no way to determine the caliber from the photo, but I would all but bet that it is 7.65mm...because it is a commercial gun.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it... ( unless further evidence proves me wrong of course. )

alanint 07-17-2012 09:32 PM

Hugo is using a translator, so I think he meant the grips are made of "German Silver" in the 1920's. The grips also have Gold accents, like the small banner meant for initials. John is dead on- These are certainly Mexican handiwork. I have seen hundreds of these grips on various pistols I have run across down in Mexico over the years.

HUGO REVELES 07-17-2012 10:16 PM

send more photos, but I do not see

Edward Tinker 07-17-2012 10:33 PM

Photos did not show, try again or use photo albums :)

HUGO REVELES 07-18-2012 12:02 AM

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Ron Wood 07-18-2012 01:39 AM

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The Crown/N on the breechblock and the 7.65mm caliber pretty much indicate a 1920s Commercial. There is no proof on the left receiver and it may have been removed during refinish. Without the serial number and a photo of the bottom of the barrel there is not much more that can be said about model identification.

The grips look Mexican, although they are not a typical design. In Juarez in the 1960s almost every shop had real sterling silver grips with gold overlays for Colt and S&W revolvers, .45 Autos (the most popular!) and Lugers. They were made by the silversmiths in Taxco and were of very nice quality and workmanship (but a bit gaudy for my taste :)). There were still a lot of them around during the 1970s and they were not expensive. I kind of wish I had picked up a pair. Today the silver alone would be worth several times their cost back then.

The only “Mexican” grip Luger I own I found in a pawn shop in El Paso. It had ridden around on the hip of a Juarez policeman for a number of years and has a gold national emblem inset on both grips (this side is the larger of the two).

alanint 07-18-2012 07:27 AM

I agree with Ron that most of these grips were Sterling Silver. When Hugo described them as "German Silver", I knew this was a Mexican term for what we call "alpaca", a Tin alloy. Instead of gold inlay, the highlights here appear to have been gold plated, which has worn off over time.

I also agree with Ron that the motifs are unusual; while not typical, I have seen the horse in horseshoe design before, but the American Indian is unique. What you typically see is some form of the Mexican National symbol, the eagle on a cactus devouring a snake, which is part of an Aztec legend describing how Mexico City was founded. Ron's example shows this eagle.

These appear to be a "poor mans", discount version of the typical Mexican grips and clearly designed with the American market in mind.


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