Un-numbered extractor on Banner Mauser
 

Hello all,

I'm not interested in buying this Luger (currently on GB). However, I'm interested in the fact that its extractor is un-numbered.

http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/2470080...x596881955.jpg

I have seen one other Banner Mauser lately that also had an un-numbered extractor.

http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/2466950...x583724541.jpg

It looked like a fairly straight gun otherwise, but its un-numbered extractor gave me reason to question. Neither is in "Police" configuration with a sear safety.

The example shown in Lugers at Random has a numbered extractor, as does my Banner Police Luger.

Is there something here I don't understand? Are these two sightings a coincidence? Both are 1939.

Thanks,
Curl

Curl,
My guess is Banners are commercials, so the numbering didn't have to follow strict military regulations. Again a guess... it could be numbered on the bottom side of the extractor. Some of the earlier commercials are.

I gave thought to the same idea, but all the other numbering is according to the military pattern. This is another shot of the top example:

http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/2470080...x807957144.jpg

This is a link to the listing and other photos:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=247008938


Same thing with the other one. Here's a photo, but can't see the safety blade:

http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/2466950...x531626362.jpg

But when you look at those extractors they just don't look like replacements. I say that because I see no peening in the mortise, and all surfaces and lines are matched. Of course, it could have been replaced, ground to match contours, polished, and refinished, but people rarely seem to go to such lengths with less than extraordinary Lugers.

I dunno!

Curl

my experience has been that commercial that come into military or police service is that they are 'generally' marked, but that you fine inconsistencies and it does not surprise or bother me.

But that's just my 04 cents


ed

Curt, You're on the right track. If the forward curvature of the BB and extractor line up perfectly and it doesn't have a mismatch number on the inside, it is probably original. TH

Tom,

That's my thought.

Back in 1974 I had an artillery model. It must have had a rough chamber resulting in hard extraction. I shot it one day not long after buying it, and when I got home to clean it, I noticed one of the "ears" on the extractor was cracked part way through; the crack originating in the front corner. I could also see where the ear of the extractor had peened the rear of the mortise where it had pressed hard against it. So if there has been enough force exerted on a Luger extractor to break it I expect to see some peening on the rear surfaces of the mortise, and if the extractor is a replacement it's not going to bear the exact same grind lines as the top of the toggle bolt.

But all bets are off if the Luger is rare enough to have exceptional value and thus prompt a fake.

Thanks to the above, and other observations will be appreciated.

Curl

Curt..Go to this fellow's listing and look at photo #13. There are machine marks that goaccross the extractor and bolt. All lines match up. I would have to say this one is original to the pistol.

IF it turns out it isn't.. it's no great loss. This pistol's condition is such that it really wouldn't matter. While it's not rough in the extreme it is fairly rough for a Mauser Banner.

The grip on the left side is very worn and chipped. Most people who will shell out big bucks for a fairly rare Mauser Banner want one in much better condition. Even the magazine is rough. The grip straps and the left side are very poor.


I have to say the seller seems very fair in his description and it's worth about what he is starting it at...no reserve. Providing you want a poor condition Banner.