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pors12 06-10-2011 10:57 AM

Police Luger DWM
 
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Hello,

Could put this Luger to my collection.

Opinion´s wellcome

regards

Otto

sheepherder 06-10-2011 11:35 AM

Oooo...The magazine safety looks intact!!! :eek:

That makes it...odd...if not rare... :p

If the price was in line with other police Lugers, I would take an intact mag safety Luger over a mutilated safety...Even though many Luger collectors think that an intact safety is not correct... ;)

Don M 06-10-2011 12:39 PM

Looks like a nice example of a 29 DWM issued to the Landjägerei of the Prussian administrative district of Hildesheim. May we know the serial number and letter suffix?

It does appear that the Walther magazine safety is intact but the shape of the edge of the frame behind the trigger suggests that an original safety was deactivated by grinding. If so, someone has substituted an intact safety for the original.

sheepherder 06-10-2011 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Don M (Post 196539)
It does appear that the Walther magazine safety is intact but the shape of the edge of the frame behind the trigger suggests that an original safety was deactivated by grinding.

Don -

All three of my Lugers have a 'scallop' behind the trigger on the left side only...is that what you are seeing???...

pors12 06-10-2011 02:41 PM

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Hi Don,

Here is the number, it is 2797 t

regards

Otto

Don M 06-10-2011 03:07 PM

Rich, that is what I was looking at but now realize a scallop is part of the design of the frame. Thanks for pointing this out. Unless this area shows evidence of later grinding, the Walther safety on this gun is probably original.

sheepherder 06-10-2011 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Don M (Post 196555)
Rich, that is what I was looking at but now realize a scallop is part of the design of the frame. Thanks for pointing this out. Unless this area shows evidence of later grinding, the Walther safety on this gun is probably original.

Don, for my sake (and Otto's), would you say an intact Walther Sicherung adds to the value of a police Luger??? Or as Giualfi maintains, does it detract from the value???

Ron Smith 06-10-2011 04:44 PM

Rich,

Intact safeties add considerably to the value. They are scarce since the Germans put out an order to delete them.

Ron

Don M 06-10-2011 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by postino (Post 196563)
Don, for my sake (and Otto's), would you say an intact Walther Sicherung adds to the value of a police Luger??? Or as Giualfi maintains, does it detract from the value???

Rich, that is very difficult to say because it depends on the collector. I try to answer such questions from the point of view of the "average collector" and I suspect he doesn't much care! The fact that a Luger rig with a supposedly original intact Walther safety has languished for many months on GunBroker with a minimum bid set at $5,500 is proof that it is not a highly sought-after feature. If an intact safety is believed to be original and that it somehow escaped the deactivation order, it might add a few hundred dollars to the value because of its rarity; however, the buyer would have to have some knowledge of the history of these devices to be willing to pay this premium.

My concern with the idea of "restoring" a police Luger by replacing a deactivated safety with an intact one is that it falsifies the history of the pistol. If I suspected that had happened, I wouldn't buy the gun at all. However, I try to not be "average." :rolleyes:

Lyn Islaub 06-10-2011 06:41 PM

I would concur with Ron in that intact Walther magazine safeties are rare to find and do add value to the Luger. The Luger on GunBroker at $5,500 really doesn't fairly identify the value of these safeties being intact, because it is so far overpriced. Don's assessment that they add a few hundred dollars to the value of a basic Police Luger is in my opinion correct. I have 2 Police pistols in my meager collection with intact Walther safeties and am very happy to have found them.
Lyn

policeluger 06-10-2011 07:30 PM

Don, you have know idea on how many safeties I have sold to all the so called "big time" collectors......hummmm wonder where they went.

sheepherder 06-10-2011 09:00 PM

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Nobody's said anything about the unit stamp... :rolleyes:

rivieraranch 06-10-2011 09:10 PM

It says, "Hi" to you.

Don M 06-11-2011 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Don M (Post 196539)
Looks like a nice example of a 29 DWM issued to the Landjägerei of the Prussian administrative district of Hildesheim.

From earlier post.

sheepherder 06-11-2011 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Don M (Post 196591)
From earlier post.

Thanks! My bad! :thumbup:
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Don M 06-11-2011 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by policeluger (Post 196576)
Don, you have know idea on how many safeties I have sold to all the so called "big time" collectors......hummmm wonder where they went.

Howard, this is scary and will make me even more suspicious of the authenticity of intact mag safeties.

pors12 06-13-2011 12:45 PM

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Hello,

Thank you for all your opinions.

Here is a picture of the "Walther Sicherung" without
the grip.

regards

Otto

suum cuique 06-13-2011 04:46 PM

A nice, rare find - I love it!
Especially with the magazine safety.

Ron Wood 06-13-2011 05:09 PM

Otto,
We have a saying here in the US that goes "I would jump on that like a duck on a Junebug". I know that doesn't make much sense but basically I think you would be making a very good purchase if you can acquire this gun. Congratulations on finding it. It seems as though you have discovered a very good source of fine firearms.:)

pors12 06-14-2011 12:42 AM

Yes Ron, a good collection is sold piece by piece .....
The Borchardt was too much right now .... but who know´s

regards

Otto


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