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tomaustin 05-09-2011 10:43 PM

anybody know this luger?
 
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DavidJayUden 05-09-2011 11:01 PM

Is that Himmler?

tomaustin 05-10-2011 12:16 AM

absolutely.....
 
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saab-bob 05-10-2011 12:42 AM

Yup,that is Heinrich Himmler Reichsführer of the SS.
I notice he has a limp wrist-ed shooting stance.

I think the gent? on the left is SS General Sep Dietrich.

Interesting pic,thanks.

Bob

Fazer 05-10-2011 03:01 AM

That can't be Himmler, I saw his luger for sale and it was chrome with pearl grips. Thats definatly not it in the picture.

alanint 05-10-2011 06:24 AM

The stance was a typical shooting stance of the time. Interesting that Himmler was left handed. He was probably visitng an SS training camp at the time. Definetly not Sepp Dietrich, who was more pug faced and sported a small moustache.

mcg 05-10-2011 08:29 AM

I wonder if they enjoy meeting O.B.Laden in Hell.
If this is inappropriate, I'm sorry....
Mark

John Sabato 05-10-2011 08:41 AM

I have seen this photo before and seen paper copies of it sold on ebay.... I have never heard of a Luger for sale that was reported to be Himmler's ... since he took his own life, I would guess that who ever cleaned up after him took possession of it... It would be a valuable collectible if there were bonafide provenance...

lugerholsterrepair 05-10-2011 10:27 AM

John, Idoubt this or any other Luger belonged to Himmler. It was likely a borrowed range weapon. These High Party Officials were fond of much smaller pistols.

saab-bob 05-10-2011 11:48 AM

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Alanint
You are correct!
That stern faced man is actually Josef "Sepp" Kiermann.He was Himmler's personal bodyguard.
Here is another pic on th same day, with a little better view of the luger.

I remember a recent thread with a gold plated Walther PPK engraved with Himmlers name ,that was supposed to have been owned by him. Wasn't it for sale?

EB

DavidJayUden 05-10-2011 12:39 PM

Odd that he wears his watch on the left arm and shoots left handed.
dju

Olle 05-10-2011 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DavidJayUden (Post 194700)
Odd that he wears his watch on the left arm and shoots left handed.
dju

I noticed that too, and the way the belt buckle is turned also indicates that he was right handed. Could be that he's just posing to get a nicer picture.

Ron Wood 05-10-2011 02:04 PM

He could also be left eye dominant

DavidJayUden 05-10-2011 03:40 PM

Would a left-eye shooter shoot a pistol left handed or simply crank their head over a bit further to the right and shoot with their strong arm?
We deal with this in high school trap all the time, but options are limited with the long guns.
dju

alanint 05-10-2011 03:46 PM

Well, I'm left handed and both shoot with my left hand and wear a watch on the left wrist. My belt buckle, however, is worn lefty. You wonder what happened with some of these well placed but lesser thugs after the war? Can you imagine "Himmler's personal bodyguard" on your resume?
Sadly, they all seemed to find takers for their particular talents.

kapnkd 05-10-2011 03:54 PM

Hmmmn?!?!? ...Would he simply be practicing left handed shooting for the possibility of being prepared in case of an injury to his right hand/arm??? Could the photo have been propaganda to show he was ever so capable in shooting with both hands???

(A good thought for all of us, it is a good practice to always be prepared regardless of who you are.)

guns3545 05-10-2011 06:56 PM

Or he thought that it was a good idea to emulate his boss. Imitation is supposed to be the "sincerest" form of flattery.

Or maybe they were actually scoring and he had to shoot left handed as a handicap to his boss who was naturally left handed. Heavens forbid that he would outscore Himmler.

Guys, this was the Nazi era where everyone lived in fear of "offending" someone who was in power. The Nazi era was only surpassed in this fear and paranoia by the Stalinist era in the Soviet Union.

John

SteveM 05-10-2011 07:55 PM

I wear my watch on the left wrist(face inside wrist)and shoot left handed. I shoot long guns right handed. Seems perfectly natural to me..

Olle 05-10-2011 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kapnkd (Post 194718)
Hmmmn?!?!? ...Would he simply be practicing left handed shooting for the possibility of being prepared in case of an injury to his right hand/arm??? Could the photo have been propaganda to show he was ever so capable in shooting with both hands???

(A good thought for all of us, it is a good practice to always be prepared regardless of who you are.)

Or it could just be the photographer saying: "Hey, hold the gun in your left hand instead, it will look better from this angle".

Who knows, could be a combination of everything said in this thread. The bottom line is that Himmler carried an HSc, a guy tried to sell it to me just a couple of months ago at a show. I passed and told him to call me when he has found Hitler's PPK. :rolleyes:

sheepherder 05-10-2011 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Olle (Post 194733)
I passed and told him to call me when he has found Hitler's PPK. :rolleyes:

I'm waiting for Kaiser Bill's Borchardt... :D


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