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Don M 05-05-2011 02:12 PM

"All matching" doesn't mean "all original"
 
Based on the number of WTB notices looking for specifically numbered side plates and other numbered components, I have come to the conclusion that "all matching" is not synonymous with "all original" and that this is generally accepted by the collecting community. Sad! :crying:

Norme 05-05-2011 02:39 PM

Gee Don! Another illusion shattered. First it was the Tooth Fairy, then Santa Claus, sometime later the Extra Virgin, and now this, the all matching Luger. Where will it all end? Best regards, Norm

John Sabato 05-05-2011 03:17 PM

I Concur Don.

My Lugers only match the shape of my hand to the Grip... and they hit where I point them, so I still love'em.

cirelaw 05-05-2011 03:27 PM

My first girlfriend swore she was a vigin till she wound up pregnant and not from me, and 'The check is in the mail!!!

alanint 05-05-2011 03:41 PM

One can only hope that this was not while you were dating her, Eric!

A.Mifsin 05-05-2011 03:41 PM

But if one finds an original matching part for his Luger, the part is original, so, all matching and original. :thumbup:
Alf.:rolleyes:

lugerholsterrepair 05-05-2011 03:55 PM

http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...t=amazing+find


I never have looked for matching parts but I did find one!!!

Don M 05-05-2011 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norme (Post 194481)
Gee Don! Another illusion shattered. First it was the Tooth Fairy, then Santa Claus, sometime later the Extra Virgin, and now this, the all matching Luger. Where will it all end? Best regards, Norm

I'm still holding out hope for the Easter Bunny!!! :rolleyes:

Vlim 05-05-2011 04:59 PM

Well, it's the market after all.

If the market is prepared to pay extra for a fully matching 'original' gun, then the sellers will supply them. Same goes for 'matching' magazines and 'full matching rigs'.

Edward Tinker 05-05-2011 06:31 PM

A couple of years ago, a friend of mine bought a luger from a dealer; when he got it, it was missing the number and proof on the safety bar if I remember correctly.

He decided against it and sent it back.

But it seemed to acquire the correct number and proof a few weeks later...


Ed

sheepherder 05-05-2011 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Don M (Post 194488)
I'm still holding out hope for the Easter Bunny!!! :rolleyes:

I'd settle for an Honest Politician... :thumbup:

FNorm 05-05-2011 07:46 PM

AH Rich.

Quoting from B. Franklin, " An honest politician is one who when bought, stays bought" :rolleyes:

FN

mlmahon 05-06-2011 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by postino (Post 194495)
I'd settle for an Honest Politician... :thumbup:

Isn't that called an oxymoron?:rolleyes:

John D. 05-08-2011 10:47 AM

OK, here is the other side of the coin..? I brought in a Mauser Banner police the other day in excellent condition. A vet's grandson brought it in for his grandmother, as she didn't want it in the house any longer, along with some other bring-back items. The banner was in stunning all original condition (along with the police holster) and everything matched EXCEPT the hold open, which was ONE diget off (26 instead of 27)..

So, what's more important - original or matched?

We collectors are a fickle bunch ;)

Best to all..!!!!

John D.

Norme 05-08-2011 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A.Mifsin (Post 194485)
But if one finds an original matching part for his Luger, the part is original, so, all matching and original. :thumbup:
Alf.:rolleyes:

Alf raises an interesting philosophical point similar to the age-old question "If a tree falls in the forest and no one is present to hear it, does it make a sound?". Similarly, if a Luger has had a part replaced and no one can tell, is it original and matching? Regards, Norm

sheepherder 05-08-2011 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John D. (Post 194604)
So, what's more important - original or matched?

Is there really such a thing as "original"??? Armorers; factory refurbs; field expedient repairs; routine replacement of wearing components...

Not talking about Chinese/Numrich [same thing] parts...but "original" DWM/Simson/Mauser/Krieghoff/Erfurt parts...

If the part is original...isn't the pistol "original"??? :thumbup:

MikeP 05-09-2011 12:25 PM

I got a 1910, unit marked to 1st Uhlans. I've owned it 45 years.
The hold open is replaced.
It's a mismatch as far as I'm concerned. Original and matching same - same for my era.
Armourer replacement is just that-replacement.
I would not devalue it a lot for such a small thing, but I would point it out to a buyer.

wlyon 05-09-2011 05:24 PM

MikeP
Agree especially with your last statement. I feel we are so enamoured with all matching that if a firing pin or holdopen etc is mismatched it immediately becomes the dreaded " Shooter". Our demand for totally matching and perfect finish is what creates the fakers market. And I believe many of our all matching, perfect finish lugers are fakes. Bill


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