Simson reworked luger marked S
 

I own this Simson reworked Luger that was formely in the asset of two leading Belgian collectors : http://www.poudlard.com/annonce/dwm.htm

I would like to know if anybody here already came accross this quite rare "Simson" marking.

It is a a Circle S, and in my opinion it is NOT a Simson rework marking.

You find this marking on mainly police guns, and in fact, I personally believe it is a police unit marking.

This is discussed in Don Maus' book and will be discussed in the new Police Lugers book that will come out in the summer.

You can do searches here on the forum and read about Circle S guns.


Ed

Thank you
 

Thank you for the return.

I suppose that it will last still a little bit of time before reaching any certainty about this marking.

another circle s marked Luger for sale
 

Another circle s marked Luger will be offered soon in auction at Hermann Historika.

Here is the German description attached to this item :

Pistole 08 DWM 1918/1920, Simson- und Mauser-Rework mit Tasche,

Kal. 9 mm Para, Nr. 1667a. Nummerngleich bis auf Schlagbolzen. Lauf schwach matt. Gabelstück einer langen P.08, linksseitig gemarkt "S" im Kreis für Simson, rechts div. kaiserliche Abnahmen, daneben Adler/"HZa..3" und Adler/"63", der Lauf mit "42" für Mauser. Originale Brünierungen aus Zeiten der Überarbeitung, partiell fleckig. Kleinteile gelb angelassen. Nussholzgriffschalen. Vernickeltes Falzmagazin mit Holzboden, Nr. 5564. Zugehörig eine getragene, schwarze Rindsledertasche, Fertigung "Karl Böcker / 1939 / Waldbröl" mit WaA-Abnahme. Nähte und Zugriemen in Ordnung.
Erwerbsscheinpflichtig.


http://www.hermann-historica.de/aukt..._max/06924.jpg

well that should clear it up....

No advanced collector I know, to include in europe knows what the circle S stands for.


It is possible that it stands for Simson, but why a circle S instead of the waffen type of acceptance, plus in such an odd place.


Ed

[QUOTE=gerard;193926]Another circle s marked Luger will be offered soon in auction at Hermann Historika.

Here is the German description attached to this item :

Pistole 08 DWM 1918/1920, Simson- und Mauser-Rework mit Tasche,

Kal. 9 mm Para, Nr. 1667a. Nummerngleich bis auf Schlagbolzen. Lauf schwach matt. Gabelstück einer langen P.08, linksseitig gemarkt "S" im Kreis für Simson, rechts div. kaiserliche Abnahmen, daneben Adler/"HZa..3" und Adler/"63", der Lauf mit "42" für Mauser. Originale Brünierungen aus Zeiten der Überarbeitung, partiell fleckig. Kleinteile gelb angelassen. Nussholzgriffschalen. Vernickeltes Falzmagazin mit Holzboden, Nr. 5564. Zugehörig eine getragene, schwarze Rindsledertasche, Fertigung "Karl Böcker / 1939 / Waldbröl" mit WaA-Abnahme. Nähte und Zugriemen in Ordnung.
Erwerbsscheinpflichtig.


"9 mm Para, Nr 1667a. Matching numbers except the firing pin. Running slightly dull. P.08 a long fork, marked on the left side "S" in the circle for Simson, right various imperial declines, along with Eagle / "HZA .. 3" and Adler / "63", the term with "42" for Mauser. Original browning from the days of revision, partially stained. Small parts can be yellow. Walnut grips. Nickel magazine with wood flooring, No. 5564th Belonging to a solemn, black leather bag, manufacturing "Karl Böcker / 1939 / Waldbröl with WaA-acceptance. Stitches and traction belt in order. Purchase prescription slip."

So sayeth an online translator.

Regards,
Doug

about the S marking
 

Note that I did not add this sample to accredit or discredit any thesis about the S marking.

It was just to make you aware of this new example. To be add to the known listing to date.

Nobody knows really where the circle S comes from. An it will probably remain such for long. Mystery is a part of the pleasure.

Thanks Gerard,

I think I had seen this luger before. There are several collectors that I know who have been interested in the circle S for many years and we keep each other informed when we come across them.

:)

Ed

Ed, I am interested in this Luger, the one at Herman Historica, but the description, " Pistole 08 DWM 1918/1920, Simson- und Mauser-Rework mit Tasche, " put me off. Is this Luger correct?
Any help is appreciated.
Alf.