Delusional Dealer?
 

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=218373350

This guy is claiming his 1900 is a Test Luger, despite its serial # of 8678, and clear "Germany" stamp....he says what REALLY counts is the takedown lever stamped on the right!

True that the higher test luger range is somewhat controversial, the ONLY feature with this 1900 AE that resembles a test luger feature is the numbering on the right side of the take down lever. "Germany" marked frames imply commercial importation and not a militray test weapon. Also the "flaming bomb" proof is no real distinguishing feature as it was simply an inspector's proof seen in frame wells of many 1900 to 1902 lugers until the triangle in circle proof superceded it. If I were in the market for a legitimate test eagle luger, I would avoid this luger. Also the references to Datig's information is very antiquated and most of it has not stood the test of time.

no, i wasn't buying the story or the gun! my 1900 has that mark in the frame well also, that resembles the "flaming bomb"

The takedown lever isn't even a good marker. After serial number 7100 the levers were marked on the left side flat until around serial number 7990. Above that number they can be marked on the right end or on the bottom. The Bannerman guns 7108 and 7149 are marked on the left flat.

how long has this been listed.....a long time.

Dr.,
I thought the 'triangle in circle' is a Portuguese Military proof. Are you refering to another inspectors mark? One that comes to mind is a 'shield w/diagonal line'.

He has listed this for a very long time if it is the one I am thinking of (internet acting funny over here); and me and several others traded emails with him telling him he is incorrect.

Obviously, he thinks he is right.

This is where a small fee every time you list would deter folks from re-listing items that were toooooo expensive or not as claimed...


Ed

"...he actually went to germany and spoke to lugers grandchildren " to verify, and " this gun has the germany mark on it ..."

I think it is a decent piece in itself. Are those ideal grips on it? The ridiculous story insisting that it absolutely is a test piece kills the deal. I think he could have said the same things, prefacing with "this may be a test piece because...." Then drop the price around $1000 and he might sell it.

Clark

The grips are home made and crudely checkered.

Yes Georg made them at home during Oktober fest :roflmao::cheers:

Mike C., the circle triangle indeed is a Portuguese proof mark. A slightly smaller version is found in the frame wells of most (if not all) 1902 lugers, later 1900 lugers and some carbines. It is just another proof.

Dr.,
Thanks. I didn't know that. Sooooo much to learn.

I sent him a rather long email through Gunbroker explaining why his narrative was erroneous and borderline fraudulent. I doubt that he will react to it. He very well may believe he is 100% correct and will not be swayed.

Hopefully he'll get the hint when no one buys!

It appears the seller has "re-evaluated" the description of this AE.....doubtless Mr. Woods' sage advice played a part....he's not coming a penny off the 4999.00 ticket, though!:rolleyes:

then he has the cornerstone of a "valuable" collection..
 

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The listing is fundamentally dishonest; when confronted with information from a credible source that proved what he was asserting was incorrect, he continues to maintain to the contrary.

Doesn't Gunbroker have some governing body this could be reported to? A fraudulent add is not good for business!

Looks like all mention of a Test gun was deleted. His asking price is still high but that is his business. Maybe his wife has been pressuring him to sell off something and in so doing he can tell her it is on the auction site, but no one has the money to buy it.

Where did he find the grips. Are mine wrong?