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Michael Zeleny 11-06-2010 10:23 AM

Nationalmannschaft Pistolen
 
http://forum.lugerforum.com/picture....pictureid=1465

I just won the Kessler lots in these photos:
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29427 WES Pistole, CH-Ord. Parabellum 29, Kal. 7,65 Para. Nationalmannschaftsmodell mit dickerem, 170mm langem Lauf. S/N 59951 Vergl.: Rutsch, "Faustfeuerwaffen der Eidgenossen", Seite 266ff, mit einer Abbildung genau dieser Pistole.
Sfr. 2500/5000.- siehe Abb. Zustand: neuwertig

29428 WES Pistole, CH-Ord. Parabellum 29, Kal. 7,65 Para. Nationalmannschaftsmodell mit leichtem, 200mm langem Lauf. S/N 65721 Vergl.: Rutsch, "Faustfeuerwaffen der Eidgenossen", Seite 268ff, mit einer Abbildung genau dieser Pistole.
Sfr. 2500/5000.- siehe Abb. Zustand: neuwertig
Heinrich Keller of Frauenfeld, Switzerland, aged 40, used a specially constructed 170mm-barreled 1906/29 7.65mm Luger SN P78108 to win his first international event, the 1949 ISSF competition in Buenos Aires. I would like to make a small batch of Heinrich Keller commemorative replicas (so marked) of Swiss National Match 1929 Parabellum pistols out of ordinary Swiss military issue Parabellums. Does anyone know of 170mm and/or 200mm proofed barrels available for sale in Switzerland?

Ron Wood 11-06-2010 10:44 AM

Michael,
Nice acquisitions. Watch out or you will be plagued with requests to adjust trigger levers!:)

mauro 11-07-2010 06:59 AM

Congratulation,
I really like the set!

sheepherder 11-07-2010 07:55 AM

Ausgezeichnet!!! :thumbup:

I know it says that 427 & 428 are both 7.65mm...and two different barrel lengths...but the barrel on 427 looks much thicker...Is it just an optical illusion, or is it a "heavy barrel" 7.65mm??? (Or maybe a misprint & actually 9mm???)

Tomathvl 11-07-2010 08:42 AM

Michael,
Really nice set!

Anyone know how the trigger lever adjusting tool works since the lever is hardened? Anneal then re-harden or ??????
Tom

Michael Zeleny 11-07-2010 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by postino (Post 185274)
Ausgezeichnet!!! :thumbup:

I know it says that 427 & 428 are both 7.65mm...and two different barrel lengths...but the barrel on 427 looks much thicker...Is it just an optical illusion, or is it a "heavy barrel" 7.65mm??? (Or maybe a misprint & actually 9mm???)

As noted in the listing, these pistols are illustrated by Horst Rutsch in Faustfeuerwaffen der Eidgenossen, as belonging to a production run of 20 target pieces chambered in 7.65 Para, the rest of which have had their long barrels destroyed since then. These two came out of Rutsch's personal collection.

Michael Zeleny 11-07-2010 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Tomathvl (Post 185276)
Michael,
Really nice set!

Anyone know how the trigger lever adjusting tool works since the lever is hardened? Anneal then re-harden or ??????
Tom

Thank you, Tom.

The trigger lever adjusting tool is meant to be used on the lever either before it has been hardened, or after it has been annealed. I am not sure whether it was meant for unit- or depot-level repairs. I am trying to find out the official repair protocol.

Ron Wood 11-07-2010 11:54 AM

Simpson's has had one of these "RICHVORRICHTUNG; WD30-130 der W&F fur den Abzwinkelhebel" for sale for quite some time. They list it as coming with a 20-page instruction manual. Perhaps they would share the protocol with you.

Edmond , DCB shooting 11-10-2010 03:51 AM

So, to see them I will need to cross the pond now? Kessler really sold many uncommon pieces of many types these last years. The SIG factory collection auction was awesome. Congratulations, Michaël. I had seen one of these beauties years ago when I shot with SSTP in Switzerland but I had no time to go back there shooting them.
From what I learned there about the adjustment of the trigger lever, only a few Master Gunsmiths were allowed to perform it.

Michael Zeleny 11-10-2010 05:02 AM

I bought a couple of forged heavy frame P210-6 pistols from Kessler over the past two years. "The SIG that got away" was sold by Fischer last year, a 1963 P210-5 prototype with fixed sights and a blued 170mm barrel, supposedly one of three ever made. (See Vetter, p. 78.) It's a banned "assault weapon" in California, and nowhere as interesting as the W+F target Parabellums, but that look is the only long barrel P210 that works for me.

Michael Zeleny 05-05-2012 02:48 AM

I have uploaded and posted high resolution photos of my W+F National Match 06/29 Parabellums:
http://pics.livejournal.com/larvatus...ational+Match/
http://pics.livejournal.com/larvatus...p51da/s640x480
http://pics.livejournal.com/larvatus/tags/59951/
http://pics.livejournal.com/larvatus...pfyht/s640x480
http://pics.livejournal.com/larvatus/tags/65721/
Both barrels are numbered 19. Their provenance is Horst Rutsch's collection, as referenced above. The heavy barrel pistol SN 59951 in the top photo looks and feels unfired. The pencil barrel pistol SN 65721 in the bottom photo has had its trigger takeup reduced and its weight adjusted to 2.15kg, as against 2.64kg of the former. It's the most accurate centerfire handgun I've ever shot.

Ben M. 05-07-2012 09:49 AM

both are neat guns ! thanks for posting follow-up photos !

John Sabato 05-07-2012 03:16 PM

Very nice Michael!

alanint 05-07-2012 03:27 PM

Michael, is it the angle of the photograph or are the National Match pistol's magazine releases uncheckered?

Michael Zeleny 05-07-2012 03:59 PM

All Swiss 06/29 pistols have smooth magazine release buttons.


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