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m0ondoggy 10-30-2010 01:31 AM

Picked up a 1918 Erfurt Luger. Did I do well?
 
Hello, first post here. My dad has been craving a Luger since I was a teenager, and I picked one up at an auction earlier in the week. I know next to nothing about Lugers and was curious if I did well on this purchase. I have seen these go for over $1000, but I don't know enough to tell if the condition here qualifies this gun for that price range. It appears to be all numbers matching. It has some pitting and wear, but it is almost 100 years old.

Either way, this isn't an investment, it will be shot from time to time (unless I hear NOOOOO DON'T DO IT! :))

I picked it up for $400, did I do ok? I plan to give it to my dad for Christmas. Thanks for your time.

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Wilhelm 10-30-2010 01:52 AM

You did just fine!!! I absolutely LOVE the patina. Some folks prefer them pristine. I prefer them just like yours. They MADE History instead of just passing through History. Leave it just as it is and enjoy shooting that sucker!!!

P.S. Your dad has one hell of a son!!! :thumbup:

m0ondoggy 10-30-2010 08:42 AM

Thanks. By "Just fine" Did I pay what it was worth or was it a good deal?

DavidJayUden 10-30-2010 09:01 AM

Without hands on inspection it is hard to say for sure, but I feel pretty safe to say that you did very well. Obviously it's been flown around the patch a few times and the magazine is of the wrong era. Assuming that there is no orig. holster involved, I'd say that it might bring $750 to the right buyer. But that is just my guess, so let's see what the others have to say.
Regarding shooting it, if a numbered part breaks it will hurt the value, but this is not a high end piece, so I vote that you take good care of it but enjoy it at the range occasionally. But buy a shooter if you plan to shoot a lot.
Welcome, and you do your Dad proud.
dju

Curly1 10-30-2010 10:12 AM

For $400 you did good. A respectable shooter, I'm sure yer dad will be very pleased. Let us know how she shoots.

m0ondoggy 10-30-2010 10:35 AM

Thanks guys.

mrerick 10-30-2010 10:42 AM

Hey Steve,

Welcome to the Forum!

I also think that you did quite well in your purchase. The magazine (which I believe is a WW-II era Haenel extruded steel magazine) looks original and is worth $100 or more by itself.

The grips look like replacement - at least the right one. The Luger looks like it's in original finish, which is a real plus - don't refinish it or you'll drop it's value.

All the parts that I can see in your pictures match. That's also a plus. If you're going to shoot it, you might get a spare extractor and ejector (as well as other commonly broken parts) and save the numbered parts. Tom Heller (LugerDoc) stocks these parts, and is on the forum here.

The finish condition pushes the value back down somewhat. It looks like someone did some filing on the edges of the takedown lever (others can correct me if that's normal from the factory)...

I didn't see any import marks, which is also a plus.

So, try to keep it as close to original factory condition as possible, and enjoy your new Luger!!!

Marc

newluger 10-30-2010 10:45 AM

I think you did very well for $400. Its been around the horn a couple of times, but that can be expected of a gun that's 97 years old. It looks like the right grip has had some surgery done around the magazine release. I'm sure your dad will be very pleased. If not, you can always put it in my Christmas stocking

Peter

lugerholsterrepair 10-30-2010 10:56 AM

Steve, Will the pistol fire? It looks like your trigger is severly bent.

Jerry Burney

m0ondoggy 10-30-2010 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lugerholsterrepair (Post 184769)
Steve, Will the pistol fire? It looks like your trigger is severly bent.

Jerry Burney

I haven't tried shooting it, I was going to let my dad take the first shots out of it. I'm going to give it a thorough cleaning today. It does dry fire though, although I'm not in the habit of repeatedly dry firing 92 year old guns. I didn't notice that about the trigger, I'll go pull it out of the safe and double check it. Excellent advice on the extractor, I'll definitely get one of those too.

I was planning on having the front sight cut off; replaced with a nice dovetail. The rear sight I would probably mill down and replace with an XS peep sight. I think a nice Tenifer coating on the gun would be a plus too.


LOL, j/k. I'm a purist when it comes to most guns, Unless a part is broken I won't replace it, and if I do have to I try to find a correct part. Especially on something like this. Lugers are just neat.

Guess I need to find one for myself now.

Ron Wood 10-30-2010 11:42 AM

Jerry,
I suspect that someone in the past has purposely bent the top "ear" on the the trigger to take up the "slack" in an attempt to improve the trigger pull. It probably works but isn't a recommended approach as it could just as easily break rather than bend and it is a rather hit or miss method. If bent too far it could tend to make the gun "double" during firing. If the gun can be assembled and fires reliably, I would not attempt to un-bend it as it will almost assuredly break.

m0ondoggy 10-30-2010 12:30 PM

I'm not sure which part of the trigger you are talking about now. The part on the inside that is covered up when the plate is attached or the front of the ring on the trigger that is visible when the gun is assembled?

BTW, I'm cleaning the gun right now, and I think the pictures make the gun look worse than it is.

Wilhelm 10-30-2010 12:44 PM

Ron's talking about the very top area of the trigger in picture 4. It's the part under the sideplate that interacts with the trigger bar. It's bent slightly downward when it should be straight and level.

Wilhelm 10-30-2010 12:51 PM

This area. I hope you don't mind me reusing your picture. If you do, just let me know and I will delete it.

http://luger.gunboards.com/picture.p...&pictureid=910

By the way, you take some schweet detail pictures!!

m0ondoggy 10-30-2010 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Wilhelm (Post 184781)
This area. I hope you don't mind me reusing your picture. If you do, just let me know and I will delete it.

http://luger.gunboards.com/picture.p...&pictureid=910

By the way, you take some schweet detail pictures!!

Your picture isn't showing, but no I don't mind at all.

Thanks! The 100mm macro lens really does all the work though.

I just noticed that the locking bolt spring is missing. I'll have to hit up lugerdoc for one of those too.

Curly1 10-30-2010 06:27 PM

I would take it out for a test run just to make sure.

m0ondoggy 10-30-2010 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Curly1 (Post 184793)
I would take it out for a test run just to make sure.

Make sure of what? I don't think it should be fired by anyone until I have the locking bolt spring installed and extractor replaced.

mrerick 10-30-2010 10:00 PM

What does the trigger feel like when you "dry fire" it (using a snap cap if possible)?

If it's crisp and there is adequate distance to the trigger pull, it's likely OK. It might have been bent to compensate for a problem with the trigger transfer bar (attached to the back of the trigger plate).

If it goes off with next to no takeup movement of the trigger it could be a problem, particularly if it interferes with the sear bar reset plunger (at the front of the sear bar).

A messed with trigger / transfer bar / sear can be a safety problem. You can't tell everything with dry firing since there are different dynamics with live rounds going off.

Rather than try and bend the top of the trigger back into position, consider getting a replacement trigger and setting this one aside (properly numbered to the gun).

There are gunsmiths on this board that have the specialized knowledge needed to effect proper trigger adjustments on Lugers.

Marc

Edward Tinker 10-30-2010 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m0ondoggy (Post 184794)
Make sure of what? I don't think it should be fired by anyone until I have the locking bolt spring installed and extractor replaced.

uh ok.... This is a low end collector piece (no offense) so shooting it is not going to affect value very much. The take down spring is an easy replacement part, but does not interfer usually with the firing or safety of the gun; as the take-down lever will just be able to move easier without it.

Replacing the extractor is a good idea, but again, I have broken a toggle bolt and some other pieces, but not an extractor yet; although its the #1 thing to worry about, if worried about it....


Ed

Curly1 10-30-2010 11:07 PM

Exactly when you fix it fire it.


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