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wlyon 06-16-2010 04:50 PM

German Luger Commercial Holster
 
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Just acquired an interesting German commercial luger holster.

Inside has 5 separate identical stamps:
Johann Scharger
Schchmechermeir (??) not sure of this
Berchtesgaden 1943


Why a commercial holster like this made in Germany in 1943?

It has held a luger for many years by the inside impressions.

alanint 06-16-2010 06:08 PM

Considering that the town of Berchtesgaden was reserved for top nazis, (the population had all been screened and many moved out forcefully when Hitler decided this would be his alpine retreat), it would not be far fetched to suppose that this is a private maker to the nazi elite. This could only have been a private purchase for top brass who liked to set themselves above standard equipment. The date 1943 re enforces this
A very interesting find

lugerholsterrepair 06-16-2010 08:35 PM

Bill, A very interesting piece..Fascinating markings. A mystery for sure.

Doug, Top Nazi Party Officials were not in the habit of carrying large combat pistols like the Luger.

Jerry Burney

Hugo Borchardt 06-17-2010 12:55 AM

Great find! Thanks for showing.

Ice 06-17-2010 05:29 AM

Although a top party member may have carried a PPk or PP officially, is it not possible that the holster was for his personal Luger? Anyway, a very nice holster.

Charlie

alanint 06-17-2010 06:38 AM

Yet we just discussed Herman Goering's rather large S&W revolver and the fact that other German Generals also favored non issue "signature" guns, which allowed them to stand out from the crowd.
I say anything was possible and I cannot imagine a private maker in Berchtesgaden in 1943 making a large, private purchase holster for anybody but a nazi or military official, since private gun ownership was illegal for the general population.

Edward Tinker 06-17-2010 10:12 AM

there were also a lot of troops stationed in the area to protect the higher ups and area...

alanint 06-17-2010 02:26 PM

Yes, but with no permission or discretion to arm themselves with non standard gear?

I like my influential owner theory!

lugerholsterrepair 06-17-2010 03:07 PM

"I say anything was possible " Let us look at what we know rather than fanciful theory's about High Party Officials.

The holster is made WAY out of the norm as far as shape. The maker used what appears to be fairly thin garment leather. The closure is reminiscant of a luggage clasp.

The quality is such that I suspect this maker was not in the Luger holster business full time.

The high quality stamps indicate that the maker WAS in some sort of leather/or other business. There was no use of the 3 letter code...

Deffinately a private purchase and beyond these self evident facts...I think that any other ideas would be conjecture at best.

Jerry Burney

Vlim 06-17-2010 04:19 PM

It reminds me more of a flare gun holster of some sort, that was used for a luger instead.

wlyon 06-17-2010 07:07 PM

Vlim
I suppose it could have been for something else. However it fits a luger perfectly , including the grip which is fully enclosed, and by the wear marks inside has carried one for many years. I will try and get the second line of the manufacturers stamp better. I read no German and am curious what it says. Just looked, all of these are ink stamped and the middle is smaller. The best I can do is "Schuhmecherraelsre". Is this close to anything that makes sense? Thanks Bill

alanint 06-17-2010 07:50 PM

Ok, then how about this? A holster made for a nazi bigwig's kid?

Johann Scharger, toymaker to the nazi elite!
8^)

I'll stop now......

Ron Wood 06-17-2010 08:46 PM

"Schuhmachermeister"? - master shoe maker

pitsword 06-17-2010 10:24 PM

Peanut gallery here. I am confident that it is an original holster, for something. But it is sure...well not so pretty. However that being said, it is so much more than I have.

Best to all, pitsword

wlyon 06-17-2010 11:31 PM

Ron
Thanks, that is probably it. Very hard to read. It is a rather ugly thing but interesting maker location and date. From the fit I am fairly certain it was made for a luger. Bill

Ron Wood 06-18-2010 12:55 AM

Not at all inconceivable that one of the cuckoos from the Eagles Nest had the local cobbler stitch up a holster for his personal toggle top.

rolandtg 06-18-2010 07:48 PM

It's obviously Hitler's personal Luger holster!:rolleyes:

alanint 06-18-2010 11:00 PM

Wait!! Didn't Goebbels have a withered arm?

Just the candidate for that twist closure versus a hard to open buckle strap!

Ron Wood 06-19-2010 03:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanint (Post 179437)
Wait!! Didn't Goebbels have a withered arm?

No, that was Kaiser Wilhelm.

alanint 06-19-2010 08:50 AM

That's right. Goebbels had a club foot. A case of mistaken infirmities...


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