Newbie with a question
 

once was told that a special license was needed to own a luger w/stock. is this true?

No, it's not true. But there is a stipulation...

The Luger in question can only be used with a stock if it was issued with one originally. That means, for all intents and purposes, only the Artillery and Navy P-08s.

I hope this helps... :)

it helps, thank you, but it raises another question...the gun in question has what i recently learned is called the ideal grips and stock. however it is neither the artillery or navy piece. what is the take on this...license/permit needed?

From the ATF web site.

SEC. III.


Weapons removed from the NFA as collector's items which are determined to be curios or relics subject to the provisions of the GCA.


Luger, DWM Pistol, model 1900, 1902, or 1906, in 7.65 Luger or 9mm parabellum cal., having the
American Eagle chamber crest, and barrel lengths of either 4" or 4-3/4", with original
detachable Ideal shoulder stocks and Ideal frame grips.

Can you post some pics?
Dave in KY

In short;
If these ideal grips are on anything other than a vintage American Eagle Luger they are in violation of the NFA.

this luger is pre american eagle. does this mean that the luger was modified?

Sound like it was.
I would post some clear pics and let the real experts give their opinions. Be sure to include some pic's of your Ideal stock and grips. You don't see these every day.

only if the stock is attached.
You can own both, just not legally attach the stock, say if you were at the range.

Presently the regulations state:
The ATF regulations should be modified to read this (the american eagle phrase taken out, as this would include all the models, because any of these could be bought at that time frame):

What it comes down to is that whomever first put in the request, I bet this was their wording because they had a 1900 AE or the like and never thought about the commericial variants sold in the USA at the time.

Ed

Here are photos of the luger

word of mouth history of the gun....great grandfather (1st gen american) on a visit to the fatherland, pre WW1, purchased the pistol and brought it home...as is... never been messed with, with the exception of it was dropped once cracking the wood base on a mag....a new one was handcarved by g-gf.

further markings on the weapon are

BG
U
172,28

on the barrel

matching s/n's

GERMANY

on front reciever

s/n is early 5000's

Very cool heirloom.
DJU

This gun is perfectly legal with the stock. The lack of the American Eagle crest would not be much of an issue. Especially since the gun has been in the family since new.

Very nice rig, thanks for sharing. I'd love to see better and more detailed pics of the Ideal...

:)

Here is a bit of info (although you might already know this)

American Eagles AND non AE marked guns were sent to the USA (I am slowly learning and taking information using up Dwights time)

BG
U
Commonoly called BUG proofing, this proofing was the civilian proof at the time, later guns were then nitro proofed, i.e. Crown N

172,28
This is the land to land measurement, and coorsponds to the caliber 7.65mm (30 luger)

GERMANY
Actually, this is a export marking only for the USA, so either your great grandfather bought it and requested to have it sent to the USA, or he bought it in the USA... perhaps the family story was confused a bit :o

on front reciever

s/n is early 5000's

Dwight Gruber has a listing with all the serial numbers known (to him), if you could shoot him the entire sn he'd like that if you don't want to publish it here ;) or send it to me and I'll pass it along

ed_tinker@hotmail.com


Very beautiful rig, I love it.


Ed

one more pic of the ideal stock. This side has the bad wear spot corresponding with the front of the reciever. discoloration on the metal is not rust, but I am afraid to "polish it out" without ruining the rest of the finish. Also the leather is going...any product to hold off falling apart? any advice would be appreciated would like to keep in good condition now that it has been entrusted to me.

oh, and to Ed T. I am aware that family stories are sometimes "off" had there been proof like a reciept...I wouldnt have said word of mouth history...lol...no worries, I would rather know the truth.

172,28 corresponds to the caliber. It is the amount of lead balls, the size of the bore, it takes to make a pound. The Europeans use a comma instead of a decimal point. 8,82 or 8,83 used on later models, is the measurement in millimeters from land to land of the bore.

It´s very nice and can not be find in Germany.
Very nice also that it is in your family for 100 years!
Can we see some closeup photos of the clips and the wooden button?
Regards Klaus

Very nice family heirloom. Glad you would take the time to share it with us.
Dave.