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-   -   My new Luger and a few rookie questions...
 
Hello,


I usually confine my collecting to US military firearms but confess to having wanted a German Luger since I was in elementary school. Well, while visiting my last surviving uncle over the Thanksgiving holiday he presented me with this attractive German Luger with hand made stag grips in what I now know is a P38 holster. He told me how my father (his brother-in-law) had presented it to him around 1961 (five years before I was born). I believe it has been reblued, but because of the family history I have no intentions of attempting a restoration. I would however like to learn as much as I can about it and what an approximate value might be for insurance purposes.


Hereâ??s the data:


Serial number: 2XX (number in front of trigger guard has a script â??oâ? beneath it.)

Toggle: S/42

Chamber: 1939

Toggle knob type: Squared and knurled

No grip safety

Stock lug is present

Caliber: 9mm

Grips: Hand made stag

Thumb safety marked GESICHERT

Extractor marked GELADEN

Barrel 4�


Correct proofs of right side of frame, bottom of barrel and side of breech block. (According to WorldofLugers.com web site)


Magazine: Chrome or some type of bright plating, bright blue spring, machined follower, black plastic bottom plug. The only marking is a script P on the back near the bottom.


Grip screws, breech block, trigger, magazine release, safety lever, safety sear all appear to be chrome or nickel-plated.


Holster: P38, black leather, marked CXB 43 in very good to excellent condition, still usable with no missing brittle or fragile leather.


Overall the pistol looks nice, was not over polished and all the markings remain intact. The pistol has all matching numbered parts and because I know the history of the pistol for the last 40 years I am confident the parts are original. The bore is excellent and it is in excellent mechanical condition except for a missing side plate assembly.


Where can I get the correct side plate assembly? Gun Parts Corp lists them but I am concerned they might be reproductions.


Is there anything particularly interesting about this pistol?


The polished blued finish looks too smooth for a military firearm, but my experience is limited to US firearms which are typically parkerized. All the markings are still present but the proofs on the side of the frame near the barrel look like they may have been partially obscured by over polishing. I posted a link below to a picture of these proofs. Am I correct in saying it was refinished or could this be the original finish?


I can post more pictures if there is any question.


As I know little about the Luger market would anyone here know an approximate value for insurance purposes?


Thanks,

Darrow





Proof Marks
http://home.att.net/~p.gervais/Luger_With_Mag.JPG

Lonnie Zimmerman 11-29-2001 12:18 AM

Re: My new Luger and a few rookie questions...
 
Look hard for the original side plate, it may be around somewhere because your dad or uncle took it off to keep someone from shooting it. There is a side plate for a Mauser on E-bay now, but you will never find another to blend in with your finish.


Lonnie






Dok 11-29-2001 10:24 AM

A very nice looking pistol...
 
and although it's difficult to tell from the photos, my guess is has been reworked. Largely because of the parts you call "chrome or nickle-plated".


In early Lugers these parts were "strawed", a heat treatment that left them with a gold finish. Over time, the starwing fades to an almost white colour, which is what I believe you have on your gun.


Strawing (and Rust Bluing) were discontinued by Mauser on Lugers in mid 1937 (both of which your gun appears to have). So without further pictures or information I'd say the rework was done a long time ago by an expert.


I will leave the valuing up to the collectors, because maybe an original rework (done in the 40s) might have a greater value than a modern rework, but a modern rework would place this gun around $600-$700 for insurance purposes.


The grips are definitely non-issue, and as such add nothing to the value. The grips should have been plastic (or Bakelite) I believe, but would stand to be corrected.


I agree with Lonnie, have a look for that side plate, it MUST be around, it can only help matters. Failing that Tom Heller (see Links & Resources) often has many original parts, give him a shout. Hope this helps.


Welcome to the Luger Forum... don't be a stranger...


Dok (Webmaster)




Pershing Darrow Gervais 11-29-2001 12:16 PM

Luger book recomendations?
 
I would like to buy a book on the Luger but there are a number of titles available from IDSA books. I prefer collector information (i.e. production history, variations, markings ect.) not historical information (i.e. development and use).


Thanks,

Darrow




John Sabato 11-29-2001 12:33 PM

Welcome. Use the search function at the top of the message board page
 
to search for "book" and "e-book" and you will find many threads that contain the information you are looking for.


The 4 Luger e-books are cheap ($5.95) and you can download them right away.


Lugers at Random (kenyon) and Jan Still's series of books on Lugers would be great under your Christmas tree...


Check the links & resources link to the left for the Amazon list of many of the Luger books currently in print. You can get Still's books directly from him and get them autographed.


Welcome to the Lugerforum.


regards,


John Sabato




Big Norm 11-29-2001 11:01 PM

Re: Welcome. Use the search function at the top of the message board p
 
John Sabato comments about E-book is correct but they are not Macintoch compatible.

Big Norm




66mustang 11-29-2001 11:16 PM

Re: A very nice looking pistol...
 
The grips might not be original, but some "Stag Grips" are up to $127.50 on e-bay.


I kind of like them, funny huh?


Ed





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