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Ram 01-04-2009 04:45 AM

Visuals provided; id skills needed
 
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Hello fellow enthusiats..I just purchased my first German Luger and am trying to search out some information pertaining to this magnificently crafted piece of steel..I have enclosed pics of all markings on the pistol so any feedback would be muchly appreciated..Happy N'Year!

jamese 01-04-2009 07:46 AM

Ram,
what you have is a 1938 S/42 German Military Mauser. From the stamping on the barrel, and left side, its appears that at sometime in its history went through the UK. Those stamping look like British Proof marks.( its hard to tell from the photos)

The grips have been altered, by someone who inlayed the Nazis symbol into the wood and have thus ruined the grips.

I would suggest you get a replacement set from Hugh or Luger Doc otherwise it looks like a nice piece with some history behind it.

Jim

policeluger 01-04-2009 10:38 AM

Is the inlay from a hitler youth knife....anybody, thanks

Ron Wood 01-04-2009 11:47 AM

Howard,
You got it...it is a HJ knife inlay.

alanint 01-04-2009 12:14 PM

Actually, The Hitler youth also issued this simbol as a pin, which had a pin and clasp on the back. When you find these types of inlays, they are usually made from the lapel pins and not gouged out of a Hitler youth knife's grips.

Ram 01-04-2009 06:57 PM

Wow you guys are super..thank you.

Jim..I was saddened to know that the grips had been ruined by the inlay but I do appreciate the referrels for repair..so my next ? is why would the British have stamped their proof marks on the pistol..wouldn't the german ones do..I would like to upload a better closeup of the markings but not sure how..

policeluger, Ron, alanint..thanks for the Hitler Jugend tip..after researching I'm sort of torn between the inlay being a gilt edged HJ leaders cap insignia or an HJ membership pin..what's your thoughts..

Ram

jamese 01-06-2009 08:20 AM

Ram,
My understanding of British law at the time would have required any gun brought into the country would require proof testing.

Most likely scenario is a British or American solder would have obtained the the weapon while in the European theater through capture on the battle field or trade with another solder and brought the weapon back to England

Jim

alanint 01-06-2009 09:48 AM

Ram wrote;
policeluger, Ron, alanint..thanks for the Hitler Jugend tip..after researching I'm sort of torn between the inlay being a gilt edged HJ leaders cap insignia or an HJ membership pin..what's your thoughts..

It is hard to tell from your photograph. The pins were nickeled over brass and it would appear that you have a nickeled pin which has worn down to the brass, (most evident in the Swastika aerea) and not a leader's gilt example.
Unfortunately the person who altered these grips ruined the value of both the grips and the pin in the process.
Original HJ pins can still be had today for under $30 in good condition. A little more for a gilt example


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