What pouch is this?
 

Hey all just enquiring about this for a bloke on another forum, it was among his grandfather's bring backs (two being a P38, and a smaller cal mauser) so i am guessing it may be for one of them. He thought at first it could have been for the P08 but most of the luger mag pouches i've seen look different. All i can make out is 'pistol cartridges' Any help appreciated, cheers.
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The pouch is completely unmarked, the packages, with the following

pistolenpatronen 08 MM
1944 dou. 59
NZ. Stb. P. n/A (o,8 0,8) 1944
Parrh. (St)+-1944 dou
Gesch.-1944 dou.
Zdh. 08-1942 eem 56.

The only other pouch ive seen similar, was russian

Went, This pouch does not appear to be German. Hard to say..I don't know what it's original purpose was but you can be sure it was not to store or carry the ammunition boxes shown with it.

Jerry Burney

Hey Jerry, i thought this could have been a possibility also, could it be american? Again it differs from the usual and rarely seen leather M1911 and A1 pouches, and they most likely would have been marked. Could it actually be Russian, traded, or captured then captured back? The russian one i saw that looked very similar was used as a grenade pouch apparently. Any idea what pistol the ammo packages were for?

Boxed 9mmP ammo for lugers, P38s, etc. TH

Thanks Mr Heller :) Least we have that out of the way. Still no takers on the pouch origin?

pistolenpatronen 08 MM
1944 dou. 59
NZ. Stb. P. n/A (o,8 0,8) 1944
Parrh. (St)+-1944 dou
Gesch.-1944 dou.
Zdh. 08-1942 eem 56.

Translated it means:
9x19mm para rounds, with iron core (mE, rather than MM).
Lot 59, made in 1944 by Waffenwerke Brunn (former CZ in occupied Tjecho-Slowakia).
Filled with 'Stabchenpulver Neuer Art' (referring to the shape and style of the powder),
Shell casings are laquered steel (St+) and also made by the same company.
Bullets (Gesch. short for 'Geschoss') also made by the same company.
Primers (Zdh., short for Zundhutchen), made by Selve-Kronbiegel-Dornheim AG in Soemmerda, Germany in 1942.

Vlim -- I am not clear on "iron core (mE, rather than MM)".... does it mean mE being iron core, or the other way?

Could you also help to decipher "(o,8 0,8)" on the 3rd line, and "eem 56." on the last line? Thanks!

Hi,

I'm not familiar with a phrase 'MM' on these packages, the most common ones are labeled with 'mE', which is short for iron core (result of lead shortages, an iron core was placed in the bullet tip to save lead).

eem 56 is the ordnance code (eem) and the lot code (56) for by Selve-Kronbiegel-Dornheim AG in Soemmerda.

The 0,8/0,8 refers to the size of the powder grains in millimeters.

Thanks Mr Vlimmeren, thats very interesting :)

Here's one we (had) prepared earlier:

Iron Core (mE 'mit Eisenkern') on the left. (with the 0.8 x 0.8mm 'new powder').
Sintered Iron (SE 'Sintereisen') on the right. (with the more granular older style powder).

Credit goes to one of our Dutch collectors who makes really wonderful sectioned rounds.

The additional photos show the mE and the SE with their boxes. The mE usually has a steel jacketed bullet, painted black. The SE is greyish, with a black sealing band around the bullet base.