I need some help identifying this Luger
 

Hello, everybody!
I'm new to the forum, as well as to identifying specific Lugers. I bought this in 2005, and was told it was a 1920 Commercial. I began doing some homework, and discovered that commercials had serial numbers hidden on parts, which this one does not. I also has two eagles: one on the right side of the reciever, with a crown over a letter, and the other eagle is on the left hand side of the barrel, which, from what books, and websites I've looked at, did not exist on 1920 Commercials It also has the Nitro proofs on the toggle, and reciever.
http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/img_0463a.jpg
The crown over letter on the right side reciever.
http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/img_0464a.jpg
The eagle on the right hand reciever, just ahead of the crown.
http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/img_0465a.jpg
The eagle on the LH side of the barrel.
http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/img_0671ab.jpg
The LH reciever. serial number 7978, with the 78 stamped on the cover plate, and 93 of the other serial 6193 on the frame. Also appearing is the eagle on the barrel.
http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/img_0672a.jpg
The RH reciever. With the crown letter, and eagle.
http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/img_0673a.jpg
The magazine matching the frame, with the "i" suffix, and WaA eagle over 63, or 83.
http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/img_0675a.jpg
The frame serial; 6193, with "i" suffix below. The barrel also has a suffix, I think the "i".
http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/img_0676a.jpg
The "DWM" banner on the toggle, with the "78" serial stamp behind.
Does anybody have any ideas?
All right. Some new, modified pics.
http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/img_0677a1.jpg
Right hand reciever.
http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/img_0678a1.jpg
Left hand reciever.
http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/img_0679a1.jpg
Top of toggle.
http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/img_0673a1.jpg
magazine.
Hope these are of more help. I apologize for the haziness. My camera is an "antique" as it were, and photoshop hasn't helped any. Sorry.

Charles, nice up closes, but we really need some not so up close to see where they are and then the not so up closes a bit clearer...


As maybe I am dense, but I am unsure what you are trying to show us...


Do a full right, a full left and one from the top.


Ed

I just put some more pics on. I hope they help some.

Charles, sorry, so far it doesn't look like a mystery to me, but we'll let others throw in their two cents.

The 78 on the DWM part of the toggle shows that it is a mismatch; as it should be the same as the last two of the rest of the gun.

Your markings on the right are a bit odd, with one acceptance marking and one proof marking.

In 1921 the first "commericial" lugers were made in the "i" suffix, Jan Still calls them Alphabet Commercial lugers. If sold to the police or army, they were marked in the military manner.

The eagle on the left of the barrel, might have a number under it?


I think the magazine is either a later matching by the army, or someone got lucky, as an eagle 63 is much later than 1921...


Ed

I apologize about the stamp on the magazine. It's not a WaA, just an eagle 63 stamp.

It is. the weapon is a two number weapon. All frame numbers are the same, and all reciever parts are the same.

The eagle on the barrel does not have a number.

Disregarding your mismatch Mauser frame assy, the top half is interesting. I believe that the C/letter on the right side indicates military inspection during WW1, but due to the lack of addition markings & proof on this side, not assembled as a PO8 during WW1. The left over spare receiver was then assembled as a commerical (C/N proofing) during the Weimar era and finally rebarreled to 9mm in the early Nazi era (droop wing eagle on barrel) and proofed (eagle on RH receiver). TH

Keep the analyses coming. The more info I get, the better. Can there be any date (give or take) attatched to this piece?